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I mentioned this in another thread: I think the phrase "anything other than" really messed with people. In the context of his sentence, it does not necessarily mean "obviously he's MAGA", in contrast to how it's often (but not always) used in English. He's using it to emphasize MAGA's behavior, not to emphasize his own opinion of the killer's politics.
Also, it simply wouldn't have made sense for him to declare that the guy was MAGA (or anything else), unless Kimmel is more unreasonable than I thought. I don't know much about him, so I could be wrong on this point, but it just seems like a misinterpretation to me that is fixed by Occam's razor.
I think “as anything other than one of them” could be interpreted that way…maybe.
With the context cues in how he said it, I see how some people could interpret it that way. He profession is being a high context speaker, so I think this interpretation is reasonable.
But, I don't think the interpretation matters, either way. It's not reasonable to use either as justification for his show being cancelled.
1. There are a lot of times that Trump says things that people take for granted that what he meant was... but that isn't strictly what he said. It seems to me that maybe 60% of the time, what people are up in arms about are things they're sure he meant, but strictly speaking he didn't actually say.
Look, I'm not a Trump apologist. But if you're going to condemn Trump for what it sure looks like he's saying (but he technically didn't quite say), then don't be surprised when other people get condemned by the same standard.
2. If I understand correctly, the shooter's family was fairly conservative. So the right's reaction of "no, he was left" was, at the time, a baseless deflection of baseless accusations.
The people doing this kind of reframing of Trump's statements are typically doing so to make them seem less inflammatory, usually in response to those who take him at his literal word. 'It's just a joke', 'an exaggeration', 'he didn't mean it literally'. Given how things have been going, it's clear he hasn't been joking.
Kimmel's monologue, taken literally, is completely benign.
Even more so given that all of this pinning on extreme-left groups started before they even found Tyler Robinson and that they did the same in Minnesota a few months ago. I think it's basically accurate: they are desperately trying to characterise it on anyone but their own, and have no regards for any facts. Even if Robinson really is far-left in every way (certainly a realistic possibility), they will be "correct" merely by accident in hindsight.
Clear as day. Deranged leftist. No question. As someone who is even now wrong for the right reasons, I wonder if you think maybe the right-for-the-wrong-reasons crowd might have heuristics that are useful and lead to good decision making, and that you have rejected.
All I’ve seen so far is a million sides harping on one minor point of the existing evidence and using that to claim their political opponents are at fault.
The new meta from the past few shootings appears to be just instantly claiming the shooter is from their political opponents side, and then double down on the claim no matter what happens
Yes, assuming Spencer Cox, Utah law enforcement etc. are not lying.
He is said to have been in a relationship with an MtF partner, and to have communicated repeatedly with that partner, showing sympathy for LGBTQ issues in general, alluding to being part of a left-wing support community, and describing Kirk as a "fascist" and "hateful". His mother has stated that he has shifted towards left-wing politics recently, specifically as regards LGBTQ issues. Much was made initially of his "MAGA" father — who turned him in, and there is much evidence of political disagreement between the two (including in the above-mentioned communications). Cox asserted the suspect to be a leftist in an interview with Meet the Press on the 14th (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/utah-gov-spence...).
There’s bit and pieces here but nothing conclusive so actually yea I kinda do distrust those figures in government coming out and strongly stating it was one of their political enemies.
I don’t think the conservatives had anything to do with Charlie Kirk dying, but I would not be surprised if they had a playbook ready to go for such an event given how strong of claims they were making about the shooter when the evidence at that point in time didn’t exist.
Never waste a good crisis and all that
You really think they would mistake a groyper for a leftist?
> I would not be surprised if they had a playbook ready to go for such an event given how strong of claims they were making about the shooter when the evidence at that point in time didn’t exist.
"The shooter in a political assassination represents an ideology opposed to the victim and was motivated by a political position opposed to the victim's" should be everyone's prior. It doesn't require a playbook.
The parents that I referenced as the ones mistaking a groyper for a leftist? Yes, unless they were also terminally online the groypers are one of those communities that hold confusing points of ideology if you've only experienced mainstream politics
"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and with everything they can to score political points from it."
This was his exact quote and he's 100% right. The entire admin had called out the "Radical left" as the perpetrators before we even had a photo of the shooter. Can we please go back towards the reality where we actually read and understand the words being said instead of having them all parroted to us by media headlines?
> We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving.
"A separate study from the organization claimed that 92 percent of the jokes Kimmel made on his show since January 2023 were at the expense of conservatives, and 97 percent of his political guests were left-leaning."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/media/article-15117605/jimmy-kim...
Is this warranted? I don't know.
I'm taken aback by a president who recommends bleach as an antiviral.
I'm taken aback by a member of congress who married her brother as part of her visa process.
It just gets worse. How are we living like this?
My exit strategy is more fluid than I like.
Trump asked if disinfectant could be injected. He did not recommend injecting or drinking bleach.[1]
> I'm taken aback by a member of congress who married her brother as part of her visa process.
There is no credible evidence Ilhan Omar married her brother.[2]
[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-inject-bleach-covid-...
[2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/
Also, just today, he promoted bunch of fake science and medicine about Tylenol causing autism, so he's only gotten worse at this since his big bleach idea.
I believe that each and every one can show us something, not that we must demand it, but in that moment that it reveals itself, we should understand.
Perhaps I am very foolish in this way. I prefer to be a fool.
Why do we hold women and comedians to some sort of high standard but there is a whole montage of right wing grifters actively calling for liberal lives?
And it wasn't even a joke, it was a statement about what was going on. It isn't even about what he said, or even Kimmel. Unless he wasn't slathering all over the fake mythos of white washing this Kimmels racist, bigoted hateful grift, the right was going to go after him for literally anything.
Kimmel's crime is laughing at Trump and pointing out his brain dead hypocrisy.
This is it, the whole thing. https://youtu.be/U6NJJ0FcvYY?t=252