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I think Elon would say that this is a regulatory problem because you guys don't have the same signs or distance units as in the US.

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So why take money for it? And computer vision is well past the stage where the information can be read from these signs, theres enough training data. So thats not a real hurdle. If different road geometry or traffic customs/rules is the issue then just admit that FSD cant generalize like a human and is overfit to the us. Why lie and pretend its almost human level?

It is purely a regulatory problem. FSD is not available in Europe due to the slow pace of regulatory approval.

For instance UNECE regulation 79 prevents FSD from using its full capacity to turn the steering wheel.

It's a rat's nest of red tape.

How do EU regulations prevent my car from recognizing speed limit signs?

The real problem is that Tesla sold this in Europe, but never put the slightest effort towards actually developing the localized ML model that could make it work. (Of course the hardware sucks too, but they could have done a much better job with it.)

The reason is because mobileye patented (US20080137908A1) it and won't let tesla use it.

If that's the case, why didn't Tesla just issue refunds to us customers in Europe?

If it's really due to a patent, that just makes it worse. Tesla has known all along that they can't deliver the product they sold.

The cars drive themselves incredibly well in US, Canada, China, and Australia The iEU is blocking deployment to protect their own automotive industry. Reading speed signs is not necessary for the system to function. In Canada my car drives the speed of traffic just fine. If you live in Europe regulatory sludge has robbed you of FSD not Tesla.

The article pretty much contradicts this - the cars don't drive themselves exceptionally well, unless you're constantly monitoring them. This is expected considering the actual capabilities of Tesla's 'FSD,' but it falls short of the promised performance.

I'm very happy with the performance. I use FSD everyday. It is very very good. I only intervene when I want to. In my last generation hardware, that runs on a 144 TOPS computer, it will very occasionally (twice in the last 4 months) do something like start moving a few seconds before a red light turns green. These critical interventions happened all the time a couple of years ago, but since the introduction of V12 software have been all but eliminated.

FSD is literally improving exponentially, looking at it in Europe (where it is blocked by regulators with economic incentives to delay Tesla's progress) is like looking at a fully fueled rocket ship at ignition and complaining that it is not moving.

Go take a ride in a new Model Y with hardware 4 and V13 software in North America and you'll realize how the EU regulators are screwing over European customers.

And why does this only affect tesla?

I was being a bit factious (related to Elon's previous bullshit claims that it was only a regulatory issue that everybody's Tesla can't moonlight as a robotaxi by the end of some year in the past...sure Elon).

>> same signs or distance units

yeah, how could we expect software developers to write code that can replaces "z" with "s", handle extra "u"s and divide numbers by 1.6? </s>

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