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US sure likes israel...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-urges-250-...

250 us legislators had to fly there (probably paid by the taxpayers) a few days ago.

Sadly, looking at the US politics, whichever side you vote, israel wins.

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Those are US state legislators. We have 7,386 of them. Sometimes a few wander outside during their election races.

You could easily fit that delegation into New Hampshire’s House of Representatives of 400 seats.

Meanwhile it’s more than double California’s total state legislature size of 120 seats.

It’s fun!

Still a strangely high number.

Imagine 250 representatives all going to a country with a similar population. It'd be mighty strange if 250 representatives from across the US went to Kyrgyzstan. Frankly, I'd find it strange if 250 went next door to Mexico all in the same year and that's a directly neighboring country that's actually relevant to US interests and the US's single biggest trade partner. Israel gets some sort of special treatment and it's really, really weird. It's treated with higher reverence than any state within US borders is.

This is actually easily explained by Israel having an intimate role in US foreign policy and culture for the past 80 years instead of being a majority Muslim constituent republic of the Soviet Union!

Korea, Japan, UK, Mexico, Canada, etc all are tightly entwined with the US and its culture. The first 3 had major roles in opposing the USSR. Politicians aren't taking trips to any of those countries en masse. Nobody is having their visas canceled for criticizing any of those countries. No college is losing funding if someone complains about those countries.

None of those countries are currently committing genocide, their lands were settled long ago!

You sure are asking uncomfortable questions, better ignore or divert that

It would be more accurate to compare to England, France, or Canada. The US relationship with Mexico is complicated.

Sure. Let's ignore the country with the biggest source of immigrants to the US and largest modern cultural and demographic influence. We can move the goalpost and go with those examples.

When was the last time 250 representatives visited any of those countries?

(This is also an account that exclusively posts defending Israel)

None of which has anything to do with which countries politicians feel most comfortable visiting. If the political class felt much affinity with Mexico (rightly or wrongly), I imagine that there would be much less talk of a border wall. Clearly they do not feel the same way about Canada.

I doubt that there are recorded numbers just for politicians, but these are all popular destinations for Americans in general. Now, if there's something else odd about this statistic other than just the number you want to point out, that's a different story.

I agree. That’s why I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot.

> I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot

Then you're electorally irrelevant. Particularly if your only civic (in)action is not voting.

No, they're a vote that can be won by someone willing to stand up to AIPAC. I also will not vote for a Zionist. At some point, if we live in a real democracy, someone will put winning an election over being controlled by Israel.

> they're a vote that can be won by someone willing to stand up to AIPAC

If they cast a blank ballot, sure. Otherwise, betting on new turnout is a losing strategy. Particularly if you’re counting on that off cycle or in a primary.

There’s enough rage built up against Israel that it will tip the scale. For instance, how many elections do you think the Democrats need to lose before they address the desires of their only potential voters?

> enough rage built up against Israel that it will tip the scale

There isn’t. Not across partisan lines.

There is to flip primaries. But those too lazy or stupid to vote don’t affect those.

There really is and every poll will demonstrate that.

That’s not how US elections work.

Fun fact: If people like you would get off their asses on Election Day, Texas would have been a blue state for the last 15 years.

The GOP would be done, and we could meaningfully decide between the Bidens and Bernies of this world.

The US was “blue” when we helped Israel start the genocide. Too many democrats are far too lost in cable tv style politics and absolutely refuse to address how far over the red line they’ve stepped with their support for Israel. They will continue to lose elections until this is addressed.

The only way it will be addressed is if people like you hold your nose and vote reliably for the least bad choice.

At that point, the GOP splinters or moves to center (they’re currently pandering to the rightmost 1/3 of the country, and would have to pander to the right 1/2 if you voted), and the “blue” people you dislike become the new “red”.

Then, the candidates that are against things like genocide will have some sort of chance in hell of winning.

Of course, it’s a moot point for this genocide, since the above will take a decade.

Continue to protest by not voting, and you’ll be wishing for the days when Trump was in office.

People that don’t vote are just voting to let someone else decide.

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