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> I find it funny people still find the UN legitimate. They still haven't criticised Hamas attack

I find it funny that you have to lie so much. They did, it's easy to find. My father is from a Christian orphanage in east Jerusalem. My grandmother hosted sisters and priests from Israel who worked in schools, hospice and orphanage all over the two countries. UN school programs there had a lot of issues, but being religious (Hamas was a religious group before being a terrorist one) or close to Hamas wasn't one (having no heating in schools during winter and having to sometime amputate toes from 10 year old was probably the biggest issue that I remember).

UNRWA schoolbooks for you: https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education...

and first UN general assembly resolution condemning hamas attack is the one from the past week that speaks about recognition of palestinian state.

unless you can find different one

United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21 (Oct. 27th 2023):

> Condemning all acts of violence aimed at Palestinian and Israeli civilians, including all acts of terrorism and indiscriminate attacks, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction

https://docs.un.org/en/A/ES-10/L.25

The UN has been condemning the Hamas terrorist attacks from the start.

no condemnation of hamas attack. no mention of hamas. generic one that was mixed in into condemnation of israeli response.

This resolution didn’t mention the IDF either, nor any other Zionist terror groups. Why do you want the UN to single out Hamas here? The wording was quite clear and it is easy for anybody reading this who they were referring to.

obviously UN wouldn't like to single out hamas which just executed mass massacre which proudly livestreamed on internet.

i wouldn't expect UN to care about it.

This resolution came 20 days into what would eventually be known as the Gaza genocide. The IDF had enganged in dozens of massacres at this point. The number of Palestinian victims was already over 6x that of the Oct 7 massacres (7326 when the resolution was published).

If the resolution was going to mention Hamas, it would also have to mention the IDF. The wording was deliberate for that reason.

the only attempt on genocide was hamas attempt to kill as much jews and infadels as possible. but you glance over this, because this genocide you approve of.

here is nice quote [0] : "for the past two years theHamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing."

everything that followed would be eventually known as largest brainwashing by mainstream and social media.

[0] https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...

It took 20 days just so they could smuggle Israel into the condemnation. Come on man, it's so obvious, it's a pattern of behavior from the UN.

The resolution was drafted and a vote was called on October 18th. It was called following a failed resolution at the security council which the USA vetoed on October 17th.

This is the normal speed in which the UN operates. Note that the UN Secretary General condemned Hamas with name hours after the terrorist attacks. Also note that leaving out the name of Hamas in both the Security Council resolution, and in the General Assembly resolution was on purpose as if you named one human rights violator in your condemnation, you would also have to name the other, and the draft authors thought it was likelier to pass without naming the perpetrators. The security council resolution was never going to pass because of USA complicity in the genocide, but in case of the General Assembly, they were correct. The October resolution passed, but not by as wide a margin as the later ones, e.g. if every absentee would have voted against, the resolution would have failed to get the required 2/3rds majority to pass.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

- Jean-Paul Sartre

I can't refute all their findings, but it's still worth looking at the board of that org:

https://www.impact-se.org/about-us/impact-se-board-members/

For an organization ostensibly concerned with education to violence everywhere, that's a LOT of board members with direct connections to Israel.

I also think it's common sense that if an occupying force deliberately ensures your living conditions become ever worse, shoots your friends and family to death for throwing stones and eventually obliterates entire families, that you don't exactly need textbooks to develop hatred.

As for "from the Nile to the Euphrates", just ask Daniella Weiss: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-21/ty-article-ma...

"i can't refute the facts so i will have to do character assassination".

(i'll remind that those are books that are taught by UN agency)

the atlantic article from 1961 about unrwa camps showing that they were taught back than liberation of entire area by force and destruction of israel https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132...

it's almost like if population is educated for violence for 50 years, it will behave violently and it will result in counter action from "occupying force"

on the other side, Israeli population is been subjected to palestinian violence for extended period. Pretty much everybody was either target of it or lost somebody to it.

Lets see what do we have in Israeli schoolbooks: https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Arabs-and-Pales...

Yeah, they do that stuff in the pre-army courses instead.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-09-04/ty-article-op...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-09/ty-article-ma...

i am talking about systemic things in education system. not about random anecdotes. also good chunk of israeli population (and even bigger chunk of those serving in army) is secular and whatever random rabi says means nothing.

but kudos on shifting goal posts.

The UN secretary general condemned it the day it happened.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sgsm21981.doc.htm

Given the Israeli military are defacto state sponsored terrorists (see e.g. their active support of settler violence on the West Bank if you want to avoid Gaza related complaints). That means every single company in Israel is employing terrorists.

Sure. The Israel military rapes, kills, slaughter, and rob Gaza and West bank. The IDF is exactly like Hamas sure. /s if you didn't understand.

The Israelis live in the West Bank. The IDF is there to protect them. There is no violence whatsoever from the settlers. It's pure propaganda. There were a few rare times of some violence, but it's nothing compared to what the Palestinians do. Last week, two Palestinians crossed the border and murdered 6 people and 20+ injured on a bus shooting in Jerusalem. They even kill each other.

Each time the IDF comes into Palestinians "cities" to catch terrorists, they throw rocks on them.

> no violence whatsoever

The UN reported that, in the West Bank, Palestinians killed 6 Israeli settlers and 16 soldiers, while Israelis killed 719 Palestinians, from October 7, 2023, to October 7, 2024" https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat...

International journalists can't access Gaza, but they have witnessed first hand settler violence. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewy88jle0eo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0pHcC0HMiQ

> while Israelis killed 719 Palestinians

Can't find it on the source you provided. The source you provided also justifies terrorists cries about their home being destroyed. It's interesting from where they get these numbers, from Palestinians?

Apologies, that was for the week ending September 30, only 695 had been killed at that stage in the West Bank. The week ending October 10 has the 719 figure for the full 365 days: https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat...

What authority, other than the local government, would you be more comfortable with providing those numbers?

any breakdown between civilians and combatants ?

about year ago PA tried to remove Hamas and other charity organizations for Jenin and other cities (that it typically can't entered) but failed and asked Israel to intervene what Israel did.

So you have interesting situation, when Palestinian authority asks Israel to kill palestinians and than Israel is blamed for killing palestinians.

Good that you mention it, yes Israel rapes, kills, robs, as you say. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

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I really do. (personal note: I never know if I should engage with these trolls, given them more visibility, or simply ignore them, risking seeing their propaganda spread)

We know they do. Now adjust what that tells you about the "first world".

Being a "first-world" country has never been incompatible with war crimes.

> Again, this is an unreliable source. It provides Palestinians testimonies. In Gaza the amount of untruthful testimonies is disgusting.

Yeah we get it, all Arabs are liars. Anyone who has sympathy for them is a liar. The Sde Teiman video is a fake and also the soldiers in it are all heroes. Israel has the most moral army in the world. IDF soldiers never post TikToks of themselves committing war crimes and laughing about it. It's not as if a person could spend 5 seconds online and find video evidence of these atrocities.

Sde Teiman MAYBE was real (there is still no proof, and it still being investigated by ISRAEL), but we're talking about terrorists whom murdered and raped people, not citizens.

TikTok is the most propagned platform currently. Not only about Gaza, but about everything. In the mean time, all the injured/starved citizens that were pictured and put on news papers were all a lie. I can also tell you I see many, many videos of sustained shops, rich food, candies and whatever first-world country has in Gaza. Give me one video please.

Where is your evidence?

It's evident for example that this thin child that was put on the front page of NYT was actually suffering from a genetic disorder. It's also evident that the pictures of Gaza citizens starving with their bowls out asking for food, was actually a complete lie (you can find pictures from the side, and not only from the front). Yet you still see those images on TikTok.

You mean Mohammad Al-Motawaq, the boy with muscular dystrophy? MD wasn't the cause of this weight loss, a lack of food was.

Unless you'd prefer to trust the word of an Israeli blogger over the childs doctors (because of their ethnicity).

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/05/nx-s1-5488798/gaza-baby-starv...

Where is your evidence to back any of your opinions?

I don't think I can even give you the benefit of the doubt of being clueless, you're just deliberately spreading false propaganda.

IDF is 100 times worse than Hamas. What do you mean?

Qualitatively, no. On the other hand, there's this saying in war, quantity is a quality its own. So, IDF looks very bad right now.

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Since 1948, on average, the IDF has killed 10x as many Palestinians that Israelis killed.

Since October 7th, that is at least 60x.

IDF is state sponsored; they (and Israel more broadly) have a responsibility to comport themselves within the bounds of international law. If they choose not to, then they are behaving like terrorists.

"The UN is HAMAS" is certainly .. an opinion

Yes, everyone that criticizes Israel for killing and mutilating thousands of children in the most horrible ways is Hamas, we already know that...

Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Does it need to be condemned? Is Hamas a legitimate, recognised state and member of the UN? Israel is a sovereign state and member of the UN; it is therefore subject to higher standards. It should leave the UN or withdraw its staff, incl. its ambassador, if it does not like the UN.

Hamas is the government of Gaza.

AlJazeera is far better than most Western Media.

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