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It's surveillance companies, i.e. follow the money. Imagine if you can force every IM app to include your nonsense? BILLIONS of instant installs and subscription fees.

The EU ombudsman actually asked the EU Council to comply with a Freedom of Information request about who attended the meetings about this and all we got was a fully redacted PDF with a list of about 30-40 individuals/groups (literally blacked out in the PDF). It's absurd how non-transparently this is bought & paid for.

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> follow the money. Imagine if

Following the money requires actually following money. Not imagined money.

Do we have evidence of these companies lobbying for CharControl?

Stasi wasn't doing it for the money anyway.

That’s what I mean. This honestly looks more like right-wing elements more than commercial lobbying. Doubly suspicious when the unsubstantiated claim is the bogeyman du jour.

What right wing elements?! Almost all of the EU (both at the EU level and member state level) is dominated by self proclaimed socialist parties or coalitions and has been for decades. The push for spying was always there and immediately became worse right after the Snowden revelations more than a decade ago.

Your comment makes 0 sense.

What if I told you that the far right wants the same.

It was redacted ... and very obviously so. Did you read my post?

Attendees can hint at money. But it isn’t money. The lack of transparency is problematic per se. But it doesn’t advance your argument that the redacted groups are the ones you suspect.

I take your point. There were some previous leaked docs about Thorn involvement (I'm pretty sure Palantir was mentioned in those docs, but not 100% sure), so yeah...

The biggest issue is the lack of transparency about the people/groups involved in those meetings and why this ineffectual privacy-destroying idiocy gets pushed so hard.

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