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You might be surprised to hear that "America" contains many people on all sides of every meaningful issue and debate.

He stated that we should not disarm ourselves because evil exists.

I’m not completely sure I agree with that answer, but it suddenly doesn’t excuse evil.

Also as immigrant I assure you that most of us are legal - please stop using us for your arguments in favour of illegal immigration - and would be unlikely to be arrested for a crime and would not try and flee if arrested, so there’s very little chance I will be eaten be alligators.

The argument is not in favor of illegal immigration, it’s in favor of allowing people to go before a judge before they are deported. Because otherwise you can take literally anyone off the street and deport them to a gulag in El Salvador, and we may as well not bother with society.

But this “right to go before a judge” can be misused because of how long the process can take. All immigrants are required by law to be able to prove their legal status, so the right to due process, fair trial etc becomes complicated if one is here illegally

Due process can not be misused. It is our most fundamental right.

Without the guarantee of due process for everyone, all other rights are an illusion because those in power can violate them at will.

You are correct. I reread how due process is supposed to work and the fifth and fourteenth amendments clearly say that it applies to “persons” and not just citizens or legal immigrants or anything like that. The requirements are more relaxed for immigration courts though e.g you have to pay for your own lawyer etc

As of yesterday ICE did arrest a couple of Koreans on a valid visa. Look it up.

Is pointing out irony and hypocrisy "excusing evil"?

But the person didn’t point out hypocrisy. Charlie would rather some amount of unnecessary gun violence in exchange for having the population be able to defend themselves.

The answer was pointing out how much of 'gun violence' is gang violence, which is a valid point but seems some gloss over the gang problem so they don't look racist, so they just tell you you're 'downplaying' for mentioning it.

Mass shootings have nothing to do with gangs.

Your statement is patently false; gangs do commit mass shootings. While there is no 'standard' definition of one, let's use the somewhat accepted definition of 4+ humans shot. Gangs definitely do commit shootings that fall into this category.

That said, it's absolutely disingenuous for 2nd Amendment advocates to point fingers at marginalized groups (trans, the mentally ill, POC, etc) as the reason for mass shootings. This is a standard Conservative trope; point fingers at 'the others' in order to ignore the root cause of the issue which would most certainly reduce the severity and frequency of these happening in the US.

I'd like to point out though it would be highly unusual for someone to characterize violent gangs as "marginalized groups" even if it might truly be the case. I don't know if that's what you meant but I was having trouble following the train of thought from the gang comment by Kirk.

Gangs are often made up of POC. But; no, I wasn’t specifically including them in my statement about marginalized groups, yet I see how my statement could be seen that way.

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