You should be vocal against CLAs, not the AGPL. CLAs with any license is a risk of seeing the code closed up.
The FSF pretends this isn't true by pretending that some uses are actually redistribution. However, this is too clever by half. Redistribution has a well-settled meaning, and allowing interaction over a network—unless it involves downloading the software itself—does not meet that definition.
Are you under the impression that a restriction can only take the form of a blanket prohibition?
HN is for intellectual curiosity. Not gaslighting ideological battles.
Conditions on freedom are restrictions. Something doesn't have to be an outright prohibition to be an impingement on freedom. It's dishonest to pretend like anything short of a prohibition is unrestricted freedom.
In order to have that discussion, we need a specific example of such a restriction! You've evaded my request for one three times now, so the only conclusion at this point is that you can't come up with one because it just doesn't exist.
The whole piece is about CLAs, the AGPL has absolutely nothing to do with signing over your copyrights. See Canonical for the same behaviour without the AGPL, the AGPL just requires that you allow your users to also see the code they are using, even if it is accessed over a network.
> Many, like Google, have flat out banned the AGPL.
Yeah, but that's because Google hates sharing what they have built on the shoulders of giants.
People are welcome to use and host AGPLed software under its own FOSS terms. If people don't want to do that, and want to pay for alternative terms, that is also a sign that the license is effective. There's no point in restricting things people don't want to do. The GPL restricts something people want to do: make proprietary software. The AGPL restricts something people want to do: host software without distributing the source at all.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge. I love open source. But I also think words and intent matters.
I don't really 'win' by attacking customers/users that use the AGPL.