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To be satisfyingly pedantic, my King isn’t the same King. Mine is the King of Canada. It just happens to be the same person as the King of England and the King of Australia ;)

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Some friends and I started playing Crusader Kings 2 recently. If anyone wants a thorough education in the weirdness of feudal monarchy, I highly recommend it, half the game is manipulating weird inheritance laws/scenarios to grow your holdings.

Still it skips over weirdness like the same person being both a sovereign king and vassal of another king. See for example King Henry II of England and Duke of Normandy etc.

Much like how one of the princes of Andorra is the same person who is president of France.

Is that true?

“”” Charles III, by the Grace of God, King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. “””

So in my head canon, he is the King of the UK and Canada … the same person and the same office. Ie there is no King of Canada officially - the title is always King of UK (first) and of other places as well … in short whilst Canada has a King, there is not a title “King Of Canada” that he can hold as well as holding “king of UK”

Those are the titles bestowed upon him by the UK. But here is the full titles given to him by all entities (including Canada)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_...

In Masai he's known as "The Helper of the Cows" (literally: he whom the cows love so much they call for him when they are in times of distress)

Yep, it's absolutely true.

Reference: https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-ca...

""" Queen Elizabeth II was the first of Canada's sovereigns to be proclaimed separately as Queen of Canada in 1953, when a Canadian law, the Royal Style and Titles Act, formally conferred upon her the title of "Queen of Canada". The proclamation reaffirmed the monarch’s role in Canada as independent of the monarch’s role in the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms. """

The other realms the British King has are the Crown dependencies, eg Isle of Man. Australia is the odd one out in naming the UK as one of the other realms. Your head canon was true, before the independence of the Commonwealth countries.

Elizabeth II was at war with herself, briefly.

Jamaica has the monarchy. Jamaican forces were part of the US-led coalition that invaded Grenada in 1983, after the communists seized power. The communists found it politically expedient to maintain the structure of parliamentary government, and so the head of state of Grenada also remained nominally, Elizabeth II.

One wonders what to do, when's One's subjects are wont to misbehave so?

If you're wondering how it's relevant: the titles can end up separating again. The most straightforward way is if the territories have different rules for who inherits the crown on death.

Do you have different rules for succession to where it might eventually be a different person?

No I believe we have a "rule of recognition" where our monarch is just whoever the UK's monarch is.

The last time the succession rules were changed (2013), it was following an agreement by the relevant countries. It was called the "Perth Agreement".

If it walks like King Charles, and quacks like King Charles, then it must be...

King Charles the fourth? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XV: “Charles XV […] was King of Sweden and Norway, there often referred to as Charles IV”

    assert(king_of_canada === king_of_england);

They are the same by identity!

Depends if you’re comparing the people or the office holders. The office holder is a tuple.

Dude lives in Buckingham Palace In UK … that’s kind of a dead giveaway :)

He actually lives in Clarence House (when in London), Buckingham Palace is currently only used for official business, parties etc.

Arguably, Buckingham Palace should be turned into a museum (like several other former royal residences, e.g. Tower of London, Kew Palace).

Well I guess so but Buckingham Palace is not so far away from Clearance House. So I brush it off as a technicality.

Once I was in London I saw Harry and William being ferried to the Clearance House while I was walking The Mall.

Which King Charles? The one with his head or the one without?

We’ll see.

Coincidentally, that has been true for a while, through multiple kings/queens of Canada.

Since 1984. One of the facts I learned for the Canadian citizenship exam.

So only Elizabeth and Charles.

Perhaps so.

Should you care, here’s the link to correct Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_monarchs

That page correctly describes the different entities that are all called ‘Canada’. It’s not wrong. The one that has its own monarch - the King/Queen of Canada - is the modern one, established in 1984.

Previous to that, the UK’s monarch had dominion over Canada. In 1984 the roles were made distinct.

Ah, wrong Canada :)

The King also works remotely from home with only the occasional trip in...

I guess the Axiom of Extensionality doesn’t apply to kings. Interesting.

There is an even more pedantic objection to your claim: there is no such person as the “King of England”; this is like saying Donald Trump is the President of California.

Exactly. Isn't it strange that the Queen of England, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia ALL died on the same day? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!

Right?! Listen, I know this sounds like a conspiracy… but I think the monarchy has historically been a mechanism used to centralize tremendous global power under a single banner. We ought to be mindful of that and, perhaps, construct checks and balances against this concentrated power.

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