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I don't even like Hyundai.

What's "unrealistic and childish" is expecting free labour.

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It's not free labor, they already got paid for it. They just fucked it up the first time.

Nope. It requires new hardware installed.

Hardware which should have been there in the first place.

They will also be charging elevated dealership prices for thag labor.

I don't expect free labor. I expect the service workers to get paid by Hyundai

Other manufacturers treat defects in their products by doing a recall and wearing the costs of their mistake.

Asking customers to pay for the actually-secure retrofit is certainly a choice.

I hope the small amount of money recovered was worth it, Hyundai/Kia just disappeared from my consideration for any future vehicle.

>Other manufacturers treat defects in their products by doing a recall and wearing the costs of their mistake.

No.

Other manufacturers treat defects with recalls after analyzing the fiscal prospect of doing so, and determining whether or not state/regional laws require them to do it.

Here's one of the "not that wrong" scenes from Fight Club to better explain[0].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8GVMNJkE

Do you have any other sources than a hollywood movie made for entertainment?

Many would argue that this "free labour" you speak of is labour that Hyundai should have put into their product before releasing it.

Well if your car had a seat belt defect and people were dying you know they absolutely would recall the car and pay for the defect.

The defect that allows the car to be stolen in seconds is absolutely a serious problem. I hope Hyundai changes course and decides to provide it for free. We have already seen reports of the trend where people were stealing Hyundai/Kia vehicles and going on joy rides driving extremely dangerously. This has lead to deaths in several instances. So they have a flaw that has lead to people dying. IANAL but I would say leaving this flaw unpatched may even leave them liable if anyone else were to be hurt. As a recent example of something similar is the Sig Sauer P320. They are in the middle of fighting some lawsuits over their faulty product. So it would not be a far stretch if Hyundai/Kia were held responsible for a know flaw in their product.

Anyways it is just my opinion that they should just eat the cost to provide this for free as a show of standing behind their product. Just seems like such bad PR to now make people pay.

I think the deaths might qualify the cars as an attractive nuisance at this point. Although The Club is only about $50.

It seems like you don't like Hyundai. What's childish is your resort to ad hominem because you disagree.

It's not free labor anymore than the car was free. It's a fix of product that was defective off of the line. The necessity of the fix being evidence of the defect.

Car buyers are not automotive cybersecurity engineers, and they can never be expected to be. Caveat Emptor is a hilarious remark for this situation.

Is it a defect if it required the development of an adversarial tool / exploit which previously did not exist? If the roof leaked when it's raining it's a defect because rain existed before. But this exploit didn't exist before.

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