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Hmm anecdotally I’m seeing a lot of hiring in all places ranging from faang to startups. So tech hiring is not evenly distributed.

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There is definitely hiring going on, but having seen this now from the hiring manager side, companies are flooded with candidates because of all the tech layoffs.

So yes, companies are hiring, but it’s hard to get hired right now because of the volume of candidates.

Not impossible, but definitely harder.

In my anecdotal experience hiring has been picking up but it seems that everyone expects the 2021 ZIRP economy where new grads were getting $200-300k offers with easy interviews. The experienced hire market is now back to where we were in 2015-2016 and new hire market slightly lagging behind. Unfortunately a lot of people will have to be comfortable working for non tech companies in tech roles like 10 years ago. It sucks because the living standards are more expensive than 10 years ago.

I'm not seeing many jobs in my area for non-tech companies. The non-tech company is working for is outsourcing to India. I might be getting terminated soon and expect I will end up working retail. Nobody wants early career generalists.

It's starting to hit product management and sales roles.

I just had to accept a keep the lights on offer. Still a software role, but I'm making what I was in 2018 without adjusting for inflation.

2020 I was making about 80k more, even though I got that job through a combination of networking and luck.

My budget is less ball out and more it's nice I covered my rent

Most developers have always worked for non tech companies…

I agree but that’s not the expectation a lot of people I meet have, especially new grads

This is the right take, plus the glut of applicants.

It could be FAANG retreating from HCOLs to LCOLs with the hope that they can make up the expertise gap with AI.

This is a big part. Lots of rotating L6 and L7 with L4 and 5

Unless you can provide some evidence for that, it seems like pretty plain BS. The issues with outsourcing/offshoring were never the kind that can be solved with AI.

It’s pretty obvious the future is low wage devs using AI. It’s only a matter of time before US devs are squeezed out of the market.

AI is good at low wage junior work, not senior work. It's the other way around

I believe you have it backwards, the future is having high wage devs use AI. Imagine a world where a single high wage devs with lots of experience can oversee say 10 AI agents. The boilerplate and grunt work can be taken care of by the agents and the human can refine the results as they know better than the AI and where the AI went wrong.

If you stick a low experience human in front of an AI the human does not know if the AI is spewing nonsense and therefore sometimes you will get nonsense from the process.

Are those job posts or actual hires?

Yes, I was going to ask the same question. Article on the topic:

https://www.apollotechnical.com/ghost-jobs-in-tech-why-compa...

Is it possible that the companies with cash to burn are trying to take advantage of the situation and swoop up talent on the cheap?

I got my first (and only; I changed careers) tech job in 2014. I only learned years later that 2014 was considered a "down" year for the industry. The "job market" exists at the margins. If you're good, you get hired.

>> If you're good, you get hired

In the long term. But in the long term we're all dead.

I only have one social media account, LinkedIn, and I have that account because I wanted to help people that got laid off from the company I worked for who were good, but were definitely not getting hired in 2008. There were developers who were top notch, but they weren't getting hired, they were sitting there not working getting poorer, frustrated and divorced.

I'm on my last job so I have no idea what the job market is like now, don't know don't care, but no. There are times when even the best developers can't even get a phone interview.

This is why you should live below your means and save money when times are good. It's very possible, especially in the tech industry to get to a position where you can comfortably ride out a few years of a crappy job market

Yeah that was my M.O., had to step down a few months ago to take care of a mobility issue and I'm glad I planned for it.

I got my start around then as a junior working fully remote with 6 months experience.. something everyone assures me is impossible

Perseverance is the most important thing I think

That's hiring for people with AI skills. If you're not in AI, you're fked right now.

Not true. The people who are screwed right now are juniors. There's still a lot of hiring happening for traditional development.

Not every business is in tech.

Every business uses tech.

R&D tax credit problem fixed, now development starts to get back on track at a lot of companies.

Or peripheral to it, e.g. data engineering for pre-training data or a joint DE/ML role, etc. Sometimes the scale (petabyte) or specific stack experience is a barrier.

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