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ive been having a difficult time putting this into words but i find anti-ai sentiment much more interesting than pro-ai

almost every pro-ai converation ive been a part of feels like a waste of time and makes me think wed be better off reading sci fi books on the subject

every anti-ai conversation, even if i disagree, is much more interesting and feels more meaningful, thoughtful, and earnest. its difficult to describe but maybe its the passion of anti-ai vs the boring speculation of pro-ai

im expecting and hoping to see new punk come from anti-ai. im sure its already formed and significant, but im out of the loop

personally: i use ai for work and personal projects. im not anti-ai. but i think my opinion is incredibly dull

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Anti Ai conversation forces us to think about what we actually value and WHY. Its a nice mix of real life factors and philosophy and I also find it enjoyable to read.

I've typed out so many comments but deleted them because I find its so hard to find the words that convey what I feel is right but also dont contradict.

I couldn't disagree more. Every anti-AI argument I read has the same tired elements - that AI produces slop (is it?) that is soulless (really?). That the human element is lost (are you sure?). As most arguments of the form "hey everyone else, stop being excited about something" typically go, I find these to be dispassionate -- not passionate. What is there to get excited about when your true goal is to quash everyone else's excitement?

Whereas I find pro-AI arguments to be finding some new and exciting use case for AI. Novelty and exploration tend to be exciting, passion-inducing topics. It's why people like writing about learning Rust, or traveling.

At least that's my experience.

You really did not run into a single argument against A"I" because of plagiarism, copyright infringement, LLM-induced mental illness, destruction of critical thinking skills, academic cheating, abuse of power / surveillance, profiling, censorship, LLM-powered harassment/stalking/abuse, industrialized lying, etc?

There are many good points here, but destruction of critical thinking skills is some serious citation needed stuff. They said the same thing about calculators, computers, hell even light novels back in the day.

Ah yes, sorry I elided the rest of the list. I think you could roll all these up into "doomerism" though.

That's incredibly dismissive

fair to claim society is unprepared. if you told me labor could be automated id assume were headed for utopia but if society isnt prepared then its a disaster

llm tool show-and-tell is great. i seek it out and participate. there's not much to discuss

i also think learning rust and traveling is fun to do, but boring to discuss with people who werent there. these topics fall under the category of describing a dream. theyre only compelling to the person, or people if pair programming, who experienced it. could be a "me" thing

did Brian Eno make art with his doc's application of ai? or is Eno in the artistic out-group now? im not cool enough to keep up with this stuff. citing Eno is probably proof of my lack-of-cool. this topic is more interesting than talking about Ghidra MCP, which is the most novel application of an LLM ive experienced. i want to read the argument against Eno's application of AI as art

managers who don't understand the technicalities of what their engineers are doing only need a status update or strategy to /sound/ smart: they judge by smell. everything under the surface veneer is bullshit.

it's smart mobile text prediction. nothing more. slop is if you asked it to write the same, identical essay, and it came out with no personality, just the same bullet points, the same voicing... everything unique about the creator, everything correct about the profession, are lost. it's a cheap mcdonalds burger.

lmao ai generated response

Believe it or not, every character was typed with my fingers. I'll take this as a compliment :P

AIs don't type --, we type —.

"we"

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