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More like it's on brand with the fantastic delusions people have about Musk. In reality Tesla and Musk are very good about privacy and leaving control with the user. But, you do you.

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This statement "Tesla and Musk are very good about privacy and leaving control with the user" is pretty clearly false [1]:

> between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees privately shared via an internal messaging system sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car cameras, according to interviews by Reuters with nine former employees.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

Like spying people on internal cameras and then sharing it?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

Claims of privacy and user control are mostly "trust" based. A car that can be controlled and surveilled remotely, will be controlled and surveilled remotely. To dissuade potential customers of that notion they require faith in independent public or private institutions and their ability to verify that attacks on their privacy and autonomy are not possible. That doesn't seem possible in the zero trust environment people like Musk are promoting. Musk is his own worst enemy.

>A car that can be controlled and surveilled remotely, will be controlled and surveilled remotely.

Fair point. The examples given elsewhere here are limited and very explainable cases of this, but I’d argue the overall stance of current management is good. Future management, it’s anyone’s guess, but I am just commenting what I see with current management as an owner of their cars.

Reminded of all those times that Musk had Tesla release crash details on X pinning the blame on the driver when it was in Tesla's interest to shift the blame for crashes. Yep, great commitment to privacy there.

You know what automakers don't do that? Literally every other automaker. When they release those kinds of details, they do so in response to a court proceeding as part of the legal discovery process so that privacy concerns, etc. can be dealt with before the information is released.

Plus, they supposedly had it turn off the automatic features just before it detected an imminent crash, ensuring that they could always correctly tell everyone that "Auto Pilot was off at the time of the crash". Of course, that doesn't mean that it wasn't used in the 20 seconds prior.

So, those details weren't actually insightful. They were just PR bullshit.

Everyone else is giving you examples as to why you have to be delusional to believe this so I'm not going to pile on but I've seen no evidence that Tesla and Musk are good in regards to handling privacy and user data but I've seen many examples that they are bad with it.

The examples given are easily explainable but I won’t bother. You’ve seen no evidence but you’ve heard a lot of anecdotes is unfortunately the normal case for the mainstream population.

Whenever you finish hovering above all of us I would love an explanation but sure.

You can actually figure the explanations out yourself. Hint 1: employees misbehave. Hint 2: accidents get green lighted for special investigative access.

Employees misbehaving or corporate sabotage as you seem to be implying doesn't make it not a Tesla issue. Employees at Tesla misbehaving means that Tesla isn't at fault for any of the issues listed is a ridiculous statement.

Right-o, so you were not really interested except to argue and misquote me.

You're the one dancing around the topic instead of just stating what you think outright.

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