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I think slowly Node is shaping up to offer strong competition to Bun.js, Deno, etc. such that there is little reason to switch. The mutual competition is good for the continued development of JS runtimes

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Slowly, yes, definitely welcome changes. I'm still missing Bun's `$` shell functions though. It's very convenient to use JS as a scripting language and don't really want to run 2 runtimes on my server.

You might find your answer with `zx`: https://google.github.io/zx/

Or YavaScript https://github.com/suchipi/yavascript

Execa package works nicely for that. Zx has a good DX but is YA runtime.

https://github.com/sindresorhus/execa/blob/main/docs/bash.md

Starting a new project, I went with Deno after some research. The NPM ecosystem looked like a mess; and if Node's creator considers Deno the future and says it addresses design mistakes in Node, I saw no reason to doubt him.

I was really trying to use deno but it still is not there yet. Node might not be the cool kid, but it works and if you get stuck the whole internet is here to help (or at least stack overflow).

We once reported an issue and it got fixed really quickly. But then we had troubles connecting via TLS (mysql on google cloud platform) and after a long time debugging found out the issue is actually not in deno, but in RustTLS, which is used by deno. Even a known issue in RustTLS - still hard to find out if you don't already know what you are searching for.

It was then quicker to switch to nodejs with a TS runner.

Interesting. Do you think Deno has made questionable choices in the components it uses?

Well I don't think there is much choice. They write the core in rust. Plus openssl is a bit old and bloated. So it's not wrong to pick RustTLS if you want to be hip.

Ha, well, by all means I must be hip!

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