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Comment by johnklos | Hacker News Reader

Gmail is a cesspool, and Google couldn't give the slightest bit of a shit. So does it really surprise you that people who share free services might not want to give those free services to people who use the cesspool service that doesn't care about abuse?

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GMail is the most popular email provider by a wide margin. Denying service to the largest cohort of email users is indeed surprising, ridiculous, and self-defeating.

On the contrary: it's a decent filter for folks who would be very unlikely to be able to follow the instructions to set up and maintain their end of the tunnel.

(It also happens to be a fantastic filter for spammers and other abusers. Is it perfect? Hell no. But it is very good.)

I can setup email on my own domain, but I don't want to. It isn't worth my time or money. This doesn't mean that I can't follow tunnel broker instructions.

I wasn't aware that there are only two options: completely self-hosted or Gmail.

I bet if someone made something in between, it might become at least a little popular.

Before Gmail we had Hotmail.

Still works by the way!

As the kids once said: No duh.

Gmail rejects mailing list messages that every other email provider accepts. It is impossible to get a human at Google to look at these issues. That's kinda the worst of all worlds. At least other email providing companies have support teams that can be talked to when things go off the rails.

They told me that they blocked all mass market email providers.

They still do, just that their definition of mass-market is "our size of mass-market": those million-mailers aren't big enough to block. /sarcasm

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