The Iraq war, for example, had a roughly 3:1 ratio of civilians to combatants killed.[2]
If we take the Gazan Health Ministry numbers of 60k casualties of which Israel claims about 23K were Hamas fighters (neither number can be trusted at face value, but it gives us a starting point) then we see a ratio of 2:1. Which is pretty normal for war. Given how densely populated and urban Gaza is, how Hamas uses civilians as human shields, it's actually miraculously low. Not downplaying how horrible it is that so many people have died, but it could be much worse.
You could say the Hamas-run Gazan Health Ministry is understating the numbers, but it'd be hard to make a case for more than 80K[3]. You could say Israel has over stated how many Hamas fighters it has killed, but independant intelligence assessments estimate about 15K. If you take the absolute worst case estimate, it's 5:1, which is about the same as Myanamr, worse than Iraq, but better than Chechnya.
There's no way to twist that into a case for genocide. It doesn't fit. Lets look at what civilian to combatant ratio looks like in genocides:
Rwandan Genocide - 80 : 1
Armenian Genocide - 1000 : 1
Bosnian Genocide - 50 : 1
Yazidi Genocide by ISIS - 1000 : 1
Holocaust - 1000 : 1
It's clearly a war, not a genocide.
- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
- [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
*Every third person* not eating for days and hundreds being killed in aid lines. Do we have to literally wait for these people to starve to death before admitting that maybe this rings of ethnic cleansing, just a little?
> Do we have to literally wait for these people to starve to death before admitting that maybe this rings of ethnic cleansing, just a little?
I don't mean to sound callous, but that would make it a genocide. Until it happens, it is not. The current truth of the matter is shrouded by the fog of war.
Maybe a couple months from now there has been mass starvation in Gaza and I'm on your side. But I don't think Israel is either stupid or evil enough to let that happen.
Meanwhile, regarding past disinfo on a similar subject: “USAID analysis found no evidence of massive Hamas theft of Gaza aid” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-fou...
“I don't mean to sound callous, but that would make it a genocide. Until it happens, it is not. The current truth of the matter is shrouded by the fog of war.”
How convenient. Well, the purpose of labeling something genocide isn’t to wag your finger. It’s to incentivize action, such as withdrawing military support. In a couple of months it may be too late.
There are videos of Hamas stealing Gaza aid. How widespread that is tough to tell through the fog of war.
No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...
Again how widespread that was is lost to the fog of war. I don't trust what anyone is saying about the subject, including Israel right now.
Btw, as we speak Israel just announced they will be resuming airdrops of aid into Gaza, with Israel taking the first shift and foreign organizations being permitted to take over after Sunday. This is not the actions of an entity intent to commit genocide.
> Israel says it’s distributing aid in Gaza, so why are people starving? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/26/israel-says-its-dis...
Oh and the airdrop was less aid than would have been carried on a single truck. It is PR to cover for the famine.
If that was true, then you wouldn't have such a strong opinion on the subject.
Do you understand fog of war? Both sides say things that are false or exaggerated, and it's difficult to discern the truth because information is censored and journalists are restricted in their movement and what they can report. This not unique to this conflict, you see the same thing in the Russia-Ukraine war, and in the recent Thailand Cambodia skirmishes.
I don't trust what either side says, I assume the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
One of the more balanced and accurate sources, in my opinion, has been Preston Stewart on Youtube[1], especially on the Russia-Ukraine war. He sources things frequently from military bloggers from both sides in their native language and verifies what he can and is honest about what is unconfirmed.