It sounds like you recognise that they encourage human interaction, though. Learning how to navigate human interaction is very rewarding and it's at the core of what we're losing.

I presume this was in the US.

That's a little extreme. There are country mice and city mice. City mice want to live inside cities and eliminate cars. That's great for them. Country mice, like me and I suspect you, want city mice to stay in the city and not ruin the nicer, quieter living space outside.

Now, if we could just get cities to keep their light pollution within the city, it would be a nicer world.

> Fundamentally people don't want to be around each other

Speak for yourself. Humans are fundamentally social creatures.

> Fundamentally people don't want to be around each other

It's the opposite of that. Fundamentally, people do want to be around each other and need to be or they go insane.

There are exceptions, of course, but they don't represent the norm.

yeah, the fundamentally social creatures don't want to be around each other.

Thats why NYC is empty.