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>Well, now there is a new way to serve our silicon overlords. LLMs started to have opinions on how your API should look

we have code review by LLM. There is no point or a way to argue. Just submit to the wishes of the overlord, resistance is futile.

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For some reason this reminds me of the conversation I had with a guy who didn't like the lane keeping assist on his car.

He didn't like that it vibrated the steering wheel when he changed lanes without using the blinker.

I rented a car recently for a trip to Arizona that had lane keeping on by default. The highway I was traveling on was undergoing extensive repair. Not only did the car sound audible alarms with some frequency, since the highway had been rerouted in places using traffic cones, it also constantly tried to veer the car back into “the lane.” Since the lane was in some places just a hole, the consequences would have been bad. I ended up pulling over and fishing through the menus until I found a way to turn it all off.

It appears that there’s a very long tail of exceptional circumstances that must be handled with autonomous driving.

imho lane keep is a misfeature. I own one car where it is impossible to turn off without also turning off lane departure warning (arguably a somewhat useful feature).

Yep, i'd not like it too - changing lanes requires increased attention and now during the maneuver you steering wheel starts to vibrate out-of-the-blue.

That isn't to argue about using of the blinker, it is about the way the assist is implemented in this case - it doesn't help directly with the blinker, instead it punishes you and thus stress-injects-and-conditions you for the instinct to use blinker next time. Net positive probably for the driver and society thus demonstrating again that forcing individual submission is an effective way to social harmony.

And blinker is just very mild use case. LLMs can already today in some cases and will be more and more tomorrow able to recognize when your behavior isn't legal and/or isn't very moral (like it would hear that you say and see what you text on the phone and would for example recognize a drug buying - pardon such a primitive simplicity, it is just a caricaturish exampl for illustration purposes only - and we've already established a tendency of LLMs to rat you out to authorities) and thus LLM can act to warn you about or even prevent your actions and/or report you to authorities, probably even before you actually commit anything.

literally just turn on your blinkers, like you should be doing anyway, and lane assistant won't trigger. you are just outing yourself as a bad driver.

No, if you need to depart your lane in a hurry you cannot be expected to use the blinker first and the car should not fight you to do so

No you're most often breaking traffic laws and increasing a chance of a collision, than the off chance of needing to make such a maneuver to avoid an accident. The societal cost of collisions is worth more than your freedoms. Or you should pay higher premiums for turning those safety features off.

> No you're most often breaking traffic laws and increasing a chance of a collision, than the off chance of needing to make such a maneuver to avoid an accident

For all you know I need to exit my lane in a hurry to avoid a collision. The car doesn't have the same context that the driver has. It only cares about staying between two painted lines, it might not have any idea about a truck coming straight at me going the other direction

> The societal cost of collisions is worth more than your freedoms

If a semi is in my lane barrelling toward me I'm not obligated to just accept death so I don't endanger anyone else by accident by swerving to avoid it

The fact is that human drivers have a lot more information and awareness than a handful of sensors installed by idiot engineers that think the only bad thing that ever happens when driving is that someone changes lanes without signalling

It vibrates and tries to gently guide you. It will absolutely not overpower you if you are swerving in an emergency. You are talking hypothetical nonsense.

You are literally too lazy to move a single finger. You are a bad driver. Being "in a hurry" makes no sense either, turning on your blinkers should be ingrained in your muscle memory and take no additional effort.

Not lazy

If you need to depart a lane in a hurry to avoid hitting a person or something, you aren't going to get any benefit from signalling

The people behind you won't even have time to process your signal before you veer, anyways

It should be muscle memory to extend that finger to flick the turn signal. If it's not you are a lazy and/or bad driver.

sorry, you're missing my point. I explicitly said that it isn't about the need to use blinkers.

Cue up the people that start conversations with "I'm not racist, but..."

And I say that makes no sense. If you use your blinkers, lane assist doesn't get in the way. So do what you should be doing anyway and use your blinkers.

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