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I actually picked up a few great deals from AppSumo right around the time they launched, but I feel like the quality content / products offered through there has gone down significantly over time - this is not a knock on the OP's course, I'm sure its quite good, its just that AppSumo used to have great stuff - I used to look forward seeing what they had each week - and now when I get their emails its kind of 'meh'.

Or am I the only one who feels this way?

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This is the first time I've ever visited AppSumo, and my first impression is that it seems to be a collection of - overpriced - get rich quick schemes and apps of a dubious value.

A shame because the basic concept seems to be a great idea.

AppSumo's Brand Sumo here.

First, thank you Rob for taking the time to share your experience and about how you feel regarding AppSumo. Feedback like yours—and that of everyone else in this thread—is painful but also important, especially considering many of the comments start with something like, "I used to love AppSumo."

I agree that the quality has declined over the past year, so I wanted to take the time to respond to you and explain that we have spent a lot of time in the past two months gaining insight and clarity into our situation. We came to realize that our copy is overly sales-y and many of the products we feature lack the substance necessary to really help entrepreneurs drive their businesses forward. That's not to say AppSumo is failing; we're still a profitable business and we have many fanatic customers who can attribute their growth and success to the fundamentals they've learned and tools they've found on AppSumo.

We've become beyond obsessed with customer happiness, with taking pride in everything we do (down to how clean we keep our individual desks), and with keeping the fun and quirky attitude we've become known for. Transparency about customer happiness is important to me personally, because it holds us accountable to make every experience with AppSumo memorable—for this reason we publicly display our daily stats on customer happiness at http://appsumo.com/happy .

I think this article, which Tommy was kind enough to surprise us with, is evidence of our new vision and a good indicator of the pride we place in our behavior and obsession with our customer and partner happiness. We're grateful that many here on Hacker News have become part of our community, and I am personally interested in hearing your experiences with AppSumo and how you feel. Feel free to share your thoughts with me at steven@appsumo.com or @stevenkovar on Twitter.

Here are my thoughts.

I used to love app sumo. There was interesting new apps and productivity/work/business programs that I could buy at a discount that allowed me to use the full apps without restrictive freemium controls. It was an excellent way for businesses to get new clients to trial their software IMHO.

Over the past year or two all the emails I get are either the same courses or offers over and over again or seem to be targeted at the hacker equivalent of a Nigerian Scammer.

I don't think that the copy is too sales'y, I think that the products you have for sale are generally shite compared to what you used to have.

People being happy will keep us on the mailing list for a while but in my opinion you need to improve the quality of the products you're selling.

My intention of this is that you get 100% true feedback. I think the people that work at sumo are great and I hope you guys get back to the top again. If you're profitable now then if you can do this then I imagine it will help the bottom line :D

Four paragraphs but not a single thing to really address the core, specific complaint about you carrying too many info products. Instead, you almost sound ignorant of the core complaint when you say that Tommy's blog post is an indicator of your new vision. The average customer here in this thread is not like Tommy; it's the guy looking to buy stuff from you. You do nothing to address their complaint.

Is your new vision only focused on people who create products? If not, what changes can we expect as buyers? Will you please address that? Thank you!

I think you guys have the right intention but honestly you are going overboard with being nice at the expense of delivering nice products.

Steven, thanks for responding - I'm glad to hear that you guys are open to listening to customer feedback. I may take you up on your offer and shoot you an email with some thoughts later this weekend. I think though, if I could point to one standout example of what's gone wrong with AppSumo in the past year its this: http://www.appsumo.com/course-about-building-a-course/

I'm horrified to see AppSumo selling a course on how to sell courses on AppSumo - to me this wreaks of the ebook marketing scams selling ebooks that teach you how to sell ebooks that teach people how to sell ebooks. I've always thought of you guys as a strong and respected brand, but that's pretty low.

Thanks!

I see you've been reading Apple's Genius Bar manual.

My AppSumo purchase history:

* Lean Startup Bundle (2010)

* MixPanel Lifetime Account (YC Week, 2010)

* GinzaMetrics Discount (YC Week, 2010)

* Optimizely Discount (YC Week, 2010)

Then not a single discounted app or physical book in 2011 or 2012, despite remaining on their mailing list all that time. I haven't seen any interesting offers since then, just "action videos" and other infoproducts.

Glad I'm not alone! AppSumo is actually where I bought Sparrow - an example of the quality stuff they used to have on there. I'd love to see them go back to their roots...

I've got the same opinion of the service as well. Not impressed or compelled to purchase anything for the last several months.

I feel the same way. I used to look forward to discounted web apps. Through AppSumo I actually got to know one of my favorite ones that I use every day, all day: Freckle. I also found out about other discounts to web apps I had considered subscribing to but I didn't have a reason to do it now. Well, a time based huge discount is a good reason! Now it seems it's mostly the same online courses all the time. Copywriting, launch your business, etc.

No, I agree. I had signed up to get the Mixpanel lifetime account. The next few months had stuff that didn't interest me, but were helpful enough that I would occasionally send them off to friends. Then it became online courses and get-rich-quick-but-not-so-quick-that-its-scammy types of things. I unsubscribed a little while ago.

One of the guys that does courses for AppSumo has a blog (http://www.nevblog.com/) and he often talks about churning out these courses. He's even got a course about building a course.

So if AppSumo does take a hefty commission in the 50%+ 75% range (as mentioned in other comments here), that would pretty much explain the decline in quality of goods offered.

I personally wouldn't mind selling my (imaginary) e-course/book and only get 25% of proceeds -- for other, more tangible things, not so much.

Not knocking the story though, interesting stuff.

I bought plenty early on (Optimizely, Ginzametrics etc) but none since then.

I unsubscribed at some point even, because it had become really unrelevant to what I need.

Perhaps it's an inventory problem. You can cherry pick the best stuff when you're starting but the pool of remaining awesome products may grow smaller over time. If that were true, then the choice becomes less offers or start lowering the quality bar.

No I agree, and ended up un-subscribing from their e-mail list. I was sick of seeing the same bad offers popping up day after day.

Agreed. We need some sort of catchy term for daily deal fatigue.

Feel the same way, now it's a site for trashy info products instead of actual useful software on sale.

Probably the margin is higher selling to people who want to know "the easy way" of starting a startup.

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