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Good thing (for the government, military, and police) that the Democrats have spent 100 years convincing themselves that only the government, military, and police should have access to decent weaponry.

It'll be a short war. Maybe the French will bail us out again.

Not taking any sides in this, but from a purely historical perspective: the US has a strong record against well-armed militaries. It has an endless losing streak against barely armed but very angry ragtag groups of peasants.

The cold war and war on terror are real and not just some ragtag peasants. People think modern warfare is some high tech shit but it’s just some dude in a basement making a bomb for the subway commute financed by a labyrinth of schemes and loosely controlled by adversary governments.

> It has an endless losing streak against barely armed but very angry ragtag groups of peasants.

Internationally. Domestically the US is 1 for 1 in this space as evidenced by the US Civil war.

This won't be true, it's a gross exaggeration.

We will have elections in 3 years, and another 4 years after it.

Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem.

It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me".

> Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem. It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me".

Abandoning the law because your counterpart did so isn't the morally correct thing to do. Our democracies are built on the principle that we have due process for people that were not upholding the law. That's literally how criminal courts work.

This is not the case in the US anymore. The people in those concentration camps did not have due process. No defense lawyer, no legal process, not even a judicative order by judges were upheld. Not by ICE, not by the people governing those camps.

If the legal process is abandoned, it's by definition an absolutist executive power.

The alien invasion excuse will only go so far. Maybe you should think about what happens when you run out of Latinos to blame, because nations that are built on fascist principles will need further demographics to blame, that's how they work. And we have a lot of historic evidence on what happens once those demographics run out.

ICE enforcement has been on the rise since the first Trump admin including Biden’s presidency, and Harris promised to increase those enforcement actions. Both camps have been doing this bullshit, but clearly Trump is performing a fascist takeover of the US. If you can’t see that, I recommend going to an eye doctor.

I don’t really understand the team sport framing.

Whoever was in charge over the past N years did not uphold the rule of law with respect to humans moving across the border. I don’t really care what party they were from, it’s not relevant.

So whoever cares about fixing the problem is now more constrained in the fix than the people who allowed it to happen in the first place. That is kind of interesting, and I could understand how some people would feel justified in bending the rules to fix the problem.

This is like arguing that state governments have ignored the rule of law because some people get away with speeding. Additionally, illegal presence (as opposed to entry) is a civil violation, not a criminal one. And the law as written grants broad (indeed nigh unlimited) discretion to the executive branch in how administrative law is enforced and decisions are made, rather than mandating specific outcomes or methods. So I don't think your premise is valid at all.

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