Firefox 120 to Firefox 141 Web Browser Benchmarks

How is that zero evil?

To clarify, I didn't mean don't check if the feature you want to use exists on the user's browser. I meant don't come to that conclusion using User-Agent strings. JavaScript makes if very easy to check if a method you want to use exists or not: just check if the function is undefined.

If you do it the right way, if/when another browser implements the feature you used, suddenly you support that browser, with no code changes. If you check UAs, then you need to keep tabs on browser updates and manually update your website when features get added to browsers, and you need to check what version people are using because maybe it's out of date, it's a whole thing.

What drives me nuts is that the right way is the easy way.

Possibly video drivers and hardware for the Twitch issue.

why would both things every come up for discussion in a workplace environment. sounds like a place I would not want to work at

It means Mozilla is unable to work with people who have other opinions.

I do not have an opinion on abortion, and I’d probably lean towards a yes. But Mozilla being capable of making it a problem out of someone’s history, 10 years earlier, a private donation, shows a major issue of intolerance.

The root cause: Mozilla turned woke, and did look into the past of each employee to fire them. The wokists see no problem with that, but for the rest of us, it’s the darkest time for intolerance.

The principle of the separation of church and state may be cast as a principle that, in conflicts between religious groups, the state must remain neutral. This avoids the situation where, when one group gains control of the state, they get to use it to oppress the other group, and then the other group has a strong motive (and arguably a moral right) to revolt, violently if necessary.

Implementing this meant that people who worked for the state, and other neutral institutions, had to work with others who they honestly believed were heretics that would go to hell. Both they and the institution had to learn to keep their tribal conflicts—nominally religious and doctrinal, but in practice tribal—under control. This was difficult, but very valuable to all sides. The truce enabled mutually beneficial cooperation and the prosperity that entailed.

Centuries later, some tribes find themselves in control of certain institutions. The truce, the principle of neutrality, restricts them, and they see little benefit from it. "Why not violate it, and start a fight over this issue where we have the upper hand? We'll win!" Sometimes this takes the form of arguing tendentiously that the other side violated the truce first, and hence their attacks are in fact justified retaliation. Other times they seem ignorant of the value of having a truce, and are likely ignorant of its history (which is not taught well). So they start trampling on it.

Depending on what we imagine their motives to be, and how narrowly we consider them... On that issue in isolation—gay marriage—it's probably "rational". However, violating the truce makes it easier to do more of that, both for them and their opponents. On this issue they have the upper hand, and they'll win. On abortion, they have the advantage, but less so. On other issues (such as putting biological males in women's sports and women's prisons) they have minority support, and if they keep up their attitude of just fighting because "why not?" (subject to tactical considerations), they will provoke the opposition to fight back more and harder, and eventually they'll lose ground on the issues themselves—to say nothing of the costs of the fighting and the lost value due to the broken truce.

They are short-sighted, ignorant, aggressive little barbarians who start smashing the thing in front of them, unaware that it's a pillar holding up many things we and even they hold dear. They know not what they do. I guess this is where we see the deficiencies of current education.

Upvote for proving me wrong.

It has been my perception that it's usually not a principled objection in this case, but mostly people mad because they share those specific beliefs he was fired for.

Well, um, yes. Having an opinion is free speech. Calling someone else's opinion stupid is, in it of itself, an opinion. So that's also free speech.

The point being free speech is a two-way street. Speech without consequences is actually un-free in that sense. Because you're free to say whatever, but I'm not free to say whatever in response.

Now, whether corporate actions constitute speech is kind of another question. But the consensus in the US is that yes, they do. Corporations are allowed to have opinions and make donations, and they're allowed to fire you for having opinions or making donations.

The important thing to note is that free speech, as we understand it, is a protection for private entities from public entities. Meaning it protects you, a citizen, from public censorship. And it protects companies, private entities, from public censorship. So it, in a way, enables private companies to censor. Because the public can't censor their censorship.

Salesforce has over 150,000 companies using it's platform, with estimates around 150 million users... The percentage that use OpenCTI powered by five 9, ctm, gensys, twilio, telnyx, etc... that are WebRTC based if even let's say 10%... that is still like 15 million users daily... not exactly niche for Firefox to be breaking a feature for that many users? Oh and consider that salesforce method for embedding a phone is fairly common, then you have other CRM's zoho, hubspot and customer service platform zendesk etc... all broken with firefox's position on WebRTC...

You can restore the URLs but you don't get page state, that draft you couldn't save because Firefox suddenly stopped loading new pages? Completely gone.

The point is that this is poor default user experience, and it should not be this way.

I've seen tab restoration fail after those automatic updates, and even when the tabs do restore that doesn't mean that the actual state is preserved. Work is interrupted, and it's a burger full of crap when it happens.

That's why I always update my browsers manually.