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"And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days."

> from The Book of Mozilla, 12:10 (about:mozilla)

And now Mozilla is being scorched to the earth. The End.

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I don't know, I still use Firefox as my primary browser.

Same here, but this is in spite is the governance of the foundation looking so out of rails and simultaneously lake of better alternative I'm aware of with both better governance and fine enough technological state.

Seamonkey is still out there. The rot hasn't touched the Seamonkey foundation, in part because only like, my dad uses, or has heard of, Seamonkey.

Seamonkey is pretty much the descendant of the OG Netscape Communicator codebase. So it's kind of on topic for retro Web stuff.

Root for the illegal Google monopoly then, because that's what Mozilla says they need to survive. (It's over soon.)

I assume you were being sarcastic? I see it the other way around - the sooner Mozilla gets off the drugs^WGoogle's money the better the chance we get a proper competitor to Chrome.

The opposite will happen as they lose most of their funding. They will have to fire most developers and switch to chromium, to become yet another Chrome reskin. Congratulations, you killed Firefox.

Um, so, how are Mozilla supposed to get the hundreds of millions of dollars a year it costs to pay engineers to maintain an evergreen browser without Google's funding?

How did they survive without their funding before they got it? And don't say that web standards are much more complex nowadays - yes, they are, because it is in Google's interest to make them such. Will it hurt? Yes. Will Firefox survive? I hope so. Is it a bad idea? No.

> How did they survive without their funding before they got it?

They were initially Netscape, a commercial company, so they had money from their customers.

After the browser code base was handed over from Netscape/AOL to the Mozilla Foundation in 2003, they got donations from AOL, IBM, Red Hat, etc. which kept them going for a few more years.

The Mozilla Foundation signed the deal with Google two years later, in 2005.

In short, they survived first on commercial revenues and then from donations, neither of which are substantial now.

Informative. AOL also sued Microsoft for iirc $1 billion for their illegal Netscape shenanigans. That kept Mozilla going for several years when they really didn't have a product, and probably would have been shut down otherwise.

I don't know how people can use anything else, especially now that Chrome doesn't support ad blockers.

It still supports stripped down as blockers. For the casual user something like ublock lite is probably perfectly fine

if you switch between chrome and FF (say work/home) the difference are glarring though...

Currently you can still reactivate the ad blocker extensions, it's a bit hidden behind a three dot menu and you have to confirm a scary warning but it's still possible to run u lock origin at the moment. They might disable the workaround later though.

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