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As someone who recently bought a Tesla, nothing comes close for the price to the Model Y in terms of range, performance, trunk space, and software. If you want an EV and value those things, the Model Y is the clear choice.

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Ioniq 5

Teslas don’t even have a Speedo, let alone a HUD. It’s just an iPad with proprietary software which can’t sync with your phone. Terrible

What do you want to sync? I was able to use my phone book contacts and addresses. Use my phone's WiFi for data and play music or videos from any app on my phone. I was able to send destination POI to the car GPS to navigate there. Ticked all my boxes.

Bidirectional charging would be great, everything else is already far up there.

I'll compare the top spec Ioniq 5 N line with the Model Y AWD Long Range as they're priced the same here in Denmark. The Ioniq has 520 liters of trunk space vs 854 in the Model Y. The Ioniq has 495km of range vs the Y's 586. Software isn't even close - I have tried both. The Tesla wins hands down on software. The only metric the Ioniq wins on is acceleration. Specifically when using special boost mode from stopped. It can do 0-100 in 3.4s vs the Y's 4.8s, which is fast.

For me this is a clear win for Tesla. Anything under 5s is crazy fast to me anyway, so the other things I mention are worth a lot more.

The top spec actually has a smaller boot and a lower range due to using dual motors. If you care about such things, good news because you can pay less money, surrendering acceleration which you don't care about.

Subjectively, the boot of the Ioniq 5 on the normal models is huge, and I say that as someone for whom boot size was the primary requirement. Moving the seats forward creates epic amounts of space at the cost of reduced leg room for rear passengers.

According to their website the RWD long range (84kw battery) has the same 520L trunk space, 570km range, and only 7.5s 0-100. It’s cheaper but it’s a big downgrade on performance, trunk space, and software.

Well if you actually looked inside one you'd realise that wasn't true. Experience shows that manufacturers' quoted boot space is not worth much.

FWIW, Hyundai seem to totally hide the false floor in the boot, which turns the so-so boot space into a much more substantial and usable space. The AWD variant does not seem to have anything like as much space under the false floor. Perhaps they don't want to bring attention to the deficiencies of the more expensive variant.

Doesn't Tesla measure the trunk volume up to the ceiling while everyone else does it up to about pillar height (i.e. not obstructing view)?

AFAIK, the whole industry is really inconsistent on this making comparison of factory #s nearly impossible. Things like Bjorn's banana box test are better as practical measures, IMO. The Ioniq 5 and Y are virtually the same, with the winner being decided by whether the seats can be down or not.

I just watched both videos. I think the difference is in the shape. The Y is very curved. The Ioniq is much more square. This is going to favour a test using very square and rigid boxes. It’s useful to understand that fact but most of the time I’m not hauling only very square suitcases.

In my experience square is better. Most stuff you will carry will just fit better, I say this as someone who puts a lot of random stuff in there.

And for when I want to carry weirder stuff I fold the backseats. I've carried entire Ikea wardrobes like this.

And the point remains, Tesla learns harder into the deception and lying.

That’s fair. Square does make it easier than playing Tetris with luggage. Still, that extra 63% space, though odd-shaped, has been very useful for us.

That's my point, it isn't "63% extra space". Unless you measured everything yourself. Tesla measures it all the way to the ceiling, Hyundai doesn't. I don't know how much the Hyundai doesn't measure but fairly sure it isn't 63%.

Companies used to play these tricks in the 90s. I am NOT happy that Tesla is trying to bring them back.

That is a fair point. I own a Y and have had both sides to this. Sometimes I carry very irregular cargo that fits perfectly and the space is really incredible.

Other times, I have something that should fit, but can't readily fit through the oddly shaped rear hatch and it becomes a problem.

I'd agree with you with regard to luggage. That's a scenario that really hits the strength of the Y setup, especially with the relatively large frunk. I often end up with a few backpack sized items up there on longer trips.

>If I put all the seats down the boot is bigger in the Y than with the seats up in the Ioniq

That’s great but you’re missing the fact that the Ioniq has a HUD. What does the Tesla have? Everything you’ve mentioned is irrelevant. The Ioniq has CarPlay so you don’t touch the software.

The quote you made is not from me. The Y has substantially more trunk space both with the back seats up and down. If you value a HUD more than range, trunk space, and software, more power to you. I don’t. CarPlay only controls the entertainment and navigation. There are many controls hidden behind a crappy UX in the Ioniq.

I purchased a 2026 Model Y in April. I love it and it’s the best vehicle I’ve even owned. My Apple phone pairs with the car just fine. I can call my contacts, play audio from my phone etc.

Well TMY is really efficient for the size, while I've seen hilarious consumption figures for Ioniq 5. Doesn't matter if you charge from solar, but at European electricity prices, TMY is probably significantly cheaper to run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CWfPUrmeiU

Boot-space is literally all it has going for it, you can equal or surpass the other categories for less here in Europe, and if you buy used since used EV's are dirt cheap you could get something significantly better with far better badge-appeal for about the same price.

I have a family and a wife who doesn't pack light so it's a pretty important one for us. There are options if I'm willing to drop some of those things, but the Y gives me all of it for a reasonable price.

Do you mean I could get something significantly better if I choose not to get the things which are important to me? Because that would be worse for me, not better. I have never cared about the badge.

Out of interest, if I reduced the trunk space a little, which similarly priced EVs could you recommend with more range and better performance than the Model Y AWD Long Range?

if range and space make all the difference it rather begs the question...why buy a disposable plastic toy when a real car would be better suited?

I like the performance of an EV. The acceleration and instant torque is incredible. Plus we’re spending a lot less on gas/power now.

What gets at least equal mileage and is also not tiny? A friend is looking to buy and EV, and his problem specifically is nothing comes close to Teslas range.

Nothing comes close to Tesla's published range because the numbers they post on their marketing aren't real. They're by far more inflated than any other automaker.

Tesla inflates their ranges.

My Model 3 Performance is rated for I think 300 miles. In the real world, it can be as low as 230 miles if it's 30F outside and I'm going 75 mph. If it's warm, I'm still looking at ~270 miles at 75 mph. The colder it gets, the lower your range because cold air is denser (increasing drag) and higher usage of the heater drains the battery.

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