At this point, why anyone would opt to buy a Tesla is beyond my understanding.
The fact that regulation is lacking to such an extent as to allow Tesla to wait for airbag deployment for something to count as a crash is kind of sad.
So in a way it’s great that they’ve been convinced to buy zero-emissions vehicles by giving them a reactionary edgelord option that’s just like every other EV. (Except for the suicide FSD mode which is more like a Darwin awards filter.)
The only part I don't know why people would trust is the FSD/Autopilot of which I wouldn't recommend people to buy. But as an EV its an excellent car.
However, if you look at the latest press release by JDPower (https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehi...) you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.
The dependability study could do with a segment purely on EV's, given that EV's as a whole are improving by roughly 33 PP100 per year.
You are citing a study that specifically excludes Tesla. And even then you’re bragging about Tesla being … average?
If they really wanted to exclude them they wouldn’t have included them all.
I cited the study, because it was the same study commented above where the most recent study wasn’t mentioned.
I’m not bragging at all, but they’re just not as bad of a car as some people are giving them a wrap for. Heck they had the same number of problem reported as Ford, does that mean Fords are bad cars? No.
If you think about issues this way, I think it's fully unproductive. No one was bragging. The fact you see this as either unthinking bragging or unthinking criticism makes it very hard to talk about what matters: the facts of the matter.
> Tesla's are excellent cars and are still ranked at the top compared to the rest of the market.
The actual facts show otherwise, of course, so now he’s trying the squid ink approach of emitting a lot of verbiage trying to say that average and excellent mean the same thing, but that’s just a distraction from the fact that their first statement was based on brand loyalty, not data.
If I said "BMWs are excellent cars" would I be bragging?
A study has found that perhaps I was wrong in the eyes of a dependability study, but I still think they're an excellent car. I still think that if a Ford owner said that they think their Ford Ranger is an excellent car people wouldn't disagree because a dependability study put them as average.
> you'll see that Tesla now ranks right near the average. Significantly better than in previous years and ahead of other common car makers.
That was my mistake
Which is an absolutely asinine axis of comparison seeing as we live in a reality where different brands take different product lines seriously.
Interestingly, MotorEasy found that gas and hybrids were the most reliable. Diesel were the least reliable.
I'll never buy another one as long as Elon Musk is associated with the company, but I'd be crazy to sell it now because it's paid for and it's a great car.
Some of the comments I hear almost universally from prior Model 3 owners when they switch to an Ioniq 5 is how much nicer the ride quality is and how nice it is to have buttons on the dash again.
There have been comments around the ride harshness of the model 3. In the latest model it has been specifically fixed.
I think any self driving tech at the moment is just terrible and shouldn’t be used, for the record
I think Elon found a glitch it tech-bro reasoning: you promise a product, people believe you and buy it, then they realise that it is not what was advertised, but it is OK, because new version has it now, so you can't complain, it is your fault in the eyes of your peers, you should have made a better research or whatever.
Your FSD has almost got you killed? Don't worry, this is your fault, and anyway the bug was already fixed in the update. Probably. This time for sure.
The changes in the new 2024 version, specifically changed the suspension setup and you can mechanically verify the difference between the models because there were mechanical changes.
You need to drop the FSD rhetoric, there are an enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD, but simply enjoying the car as an EV.
From the consumer POV who doesn't own shares in the brand, it makes no sense at all.
> enormous amount of Tesla drivers who couldn't care about FSD but simply enjoying the car as an EV
Are there an enormous amount of disappointed Tesla drivers as well who stuck with it because of a sunk cost fallacy?
Should, for example, CyberTruck owners who spend 150K on a bullet-proof car be happy that in the new 2026 version the panels finally will stop falling off?
Should the few million people who purchased Tesla Model 3 feel better that the new version finally drives like a car?
Either way, in prior comments you couldn't come to terms with them possibly fixing something like that in the first place.
Tesla is a low-trust company. Too much grifting
Is this the new "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?"?
Successive version always do slight changes like that over time, that how car companies work. Old owners don't need to be happy about it, or think about it at all.
Combine that with FSD rubbish bait and switch, nutjob CEO, and the cratering of any brand goodwill ... I won't touch those cars if you paid me (seriously).
And honestly, I recognise the innate progression of the technology ... but others have caught and surpassed to the point that I don't have to worry about buying the lesser car anymore when I go elsewhere.
On the whole seems a little... over enthusiastic...
It’s easy to pick the worst model of the lot and use it to disregard the entire brand, but I can’t expect any more critical thought from some online
Thank you for contributing to lower the overall amount of critical thinking on the internet.
whilst surely top ranked, they apparently share the top with others makers (https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...) (Large Family Cars category, last two years, order by occupant protection).
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...
The Cybertruck is a complete disaster of a vehicle with so many issues (eg [1]) that the only reason people buy them is to make a political statement from a group that 3+ years ago wouldn't have been caught buying an EV.
Teslas are drivable iPads. Many people (myself included) not only hate this (because it's hard to use without looking) but it's also lazy design. By this I mean, it allows manufacturers to say "we'll fix it with a software update" (and then probably never get around to it) whereas haptic controls require more thought and effort to be put into the UI/UX during manufacturing.
For other Teslas, there have been a host of other issues, some small, some not. For example, the seats were unreliable if adjusted too often so Tesla made an OTA update to limit how much you can adjust the seats to avoid failure [2].
The only thing propping up Tesla sales now are trade restrictions on BYD.
[1]: https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk...
[2]: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-ofte...
Teslas don’t even have a Speedo, let alone a HUD. It’s just an iPad with proprietary software which can’t sync with your phone. Terrible
Bidirectional charging would be great, everything else is already far up there.
For me this is a clear win for Tesla. Anything under 5s is crazy fast to me anyway, so the other things I mention are worth a lot more.
Subjectively, the boot of the Ioniq 5 on the normal models is huge, and I say that as someone for whom boot size was the primary requirement. Moving the seats forward creates epic amounts of space at the cost of reduced leg room for rear passengers.
And for when I want to carry weirder stuff I fold the backseats. I've carried entire Ikea wardrobes like this.
And the point remains, Tesla learns harder into the deception and lying.
Companies used to play these tricks in the 90s. I am NOT happy that Tesla is trying to bring them back.
Other times, I have something that should fit, but can't readily fit through the oddly shaped rear hatch and it becomes a problem.
I'd agree with you with regard to luggage. That's a scenario that really hits the strength of the Y setup, especially with the relatively large frunk. I often end up with a few backpack sized items up there on longer trips.
That’s great but you’re missing the fact that the Ioniq has a HUD. What does the Tesla have? Everything you’ve mentioned is irrelevant. The Ioniq has CarPlay so you don’t touch the software.
Do you mean I could get something significantly better if I choose not to get the things which are important to me? Because that would be worse for me, not better. I have never cared about the badge.
Out of interest, if I reduced the trunk space a little, which similarly priced EVs could you recommend with more range and better performance than the Model Y AWD Long Range?
My Model 3 Performance is rated for I think 300 miles. In the real world, it can be as low as 230 miles if it's 30F outside and I'm going 75 mph. If it's warm, I'm still looking at ~270 miles at 75 mph. The colder it gets, the lower your range because cold air is denser (increasing drag) and higher usage of the heater drains the battery.
And the chinese models are just much better.