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Not sure Tesla is the poster child for non-grifters in the context of AI.

Or “auto pilot”

Auto pilot is pretty good at driving within the same lane. Just like a plane pilot needs to do the more complicated stuff like take off and landing, one can expect the same with autopilot (just changing lanes and stopping at lights or stop signs or turning).

Full self driving is the mislabeled one. Should be “90% self driving”.

Not when that lane is the HOV lane and traffic is going (speed limit + 15mph). You can always spot the white Tesla on 101 doing the speed limit in the HOV lane during rush hour with a mile of cars behind them and a mile of nothing in front.

The driver can set the auto pilot speed to whatever number they want. If they are going the speed limit, it’s because the driver chose to cruise at that max speed.

Full self driving, however, may be limited to the speed limit. I don’t know, since I don’t use it.

Modern planes can land themselves - not sure about taking off. They can land in zero visibility like this. In this case the pilot is expected to double, triple, quadruple check the automated systems constantly, not just sit back and relax. The plane and airport both need special equipment. And the whole thing is a controlled closed system unlike the roads.

> plane pilot needs to do the more complicated stuff like take off and landing

Auto landing test 3 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eijEPsSdqg8

Interesting. For marketing purposes, however, I would think almost all people still associate auto pilot with just cruising in the air, similar to cruising on a highway.

How are they grifters? Tesla gave us FSD to try for free for a month, twice now. If you don't like its performance, don't pay.

You the customer are only a minor part of the grift. In fact, you're an unwitting prop for the grift. The entire point of the grift is the stock price, not your $8,000 or monthly subscription.

What they want from you are comments like this. What they want to do with those comments is to preserve the consensus amongst Tesla bulls that they are on their way to selling robots and renting robot taxis by the ride.

Elon Musk Predicts Level 4 Or 5 Full Self-Driving ‘Later This Year’ For the Tenth Year In A Row

(2023) https://www.theautopian.com/elon-musk-predicts-level-4-or-5-...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/grift

    ways of getting money dishonestly that involve tricking someone

So, they got money dishonestly by tricking someone into buying their cars based on the belief that they'd offer real full self driving now or very soon, then they didn't actually deliver that.

Who cares what Elon says? You can literally try the product and decide. Or you can watch any of hundreds of videos on YouTube or people trying it.

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