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That depends on what "normal" is, and I don't think you or I get to define it.
I mostly hang out in mixed-gender groups, but I absolutely have seen the difference in vibe others in this thread have noted, when I'm hanging out with a group of just other men. Especially when compared to a mixed group that has both single men and single women.
> men are putting these strange rules and requirements on their own selves
I wouldn't call it a "rule" so much as a "phenomenon". It just seems to kinda happen. Not always, and not in every mixed-gender group, but it does happen. I don't think anyone is making up or following any kind of "rules", and I can't control group dynamics or behavior on my own.
> I don't think that's a society issue. I think that's a you issue.
I think this discussion would be more productive without thinly-veiled ad hominem attacks.
This is the only thing you've said that I agree with
> If you lose the ability to be a normal person
What is normal for a group of men is different than what is normal for the same group of men when a woman is present
It's not rocket science here.
This says a lot about that person, that they can't imagine men socializing any other way. I think they're making excuses for their own bad behavior.
And why gender, but not race?
* Single men don't feel compelled to be horndogs and show off and compete.
* Married men are tired of always doing everything with their wives.
* Possible gay interest?
* Something about model trains, apparently women ruin model trains?
This is impossible in spaces where women are also present.
However, and this may shock you, I also love hanging out in non mixed groups. And they are not the same.
A mixed group works different socially than a male only group.
That's not because the men are socially incompetent. It's because it's a fundamentally different social situation. Even when everyone is an elite socializer.
I'm afraid you may be the one who needs to learn more about socializing.