Hacker News Reader

Comment by jeroenhd | Hacker News Reader

Based on the commit dates, it seems like their Eclipse plugin had at least four years of activity: https://github.com/Kotlin/kotlin-eclipse

I think the overlap between "people who use Eclipse" and "people interested in Kotlin" is pretty small, though. I've only seen Eclipse in use with companies and teams stuck working on legacy applications.

View on HN

Not everyone worships InteliJ.

As for the one year, last release was on 2018, Kotlin was announced as main Android language in May 2017.

Now re-read my comment.

The three years predating it was JetBrains trying to find a way to sell Kotlin adoption, then they went big and closed shop.

Now they are stuck with Kotlin being seen as an Android language for the most part, and Fleet isn't taking off.

> Now they are stuck with Kotlin being seen as an Android language for the most part

Perhaps it’s different elsewhere, but here in Norway I’ve seen Kotlin used quite extensively in large backend codebases. It also comes up frequently in job postings—employers seem to actively ask for it when hiring.

Also at a company where I write backend Kotlin and we don't have any mobile apps or any other JVM products at all.

We wanted the JVM for the JDBC ecosystem due to being a data tool, and Kotlin seemed like the "least bad" flavor.

No regrets.

Same in Germany, there are a lot of major companies using Kotlin for backend code.

It is certainly different, given that Kotlin is about 10% of the JVM market.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=java,kotlin,scala...

https://senacor.blog/in-praise-of-kotlin-a-modern-programmin...

Most shops that use Kotlin on the backend also do Android development, as means to do core sharing between backend and Android, and there is the whole ART is not a JVM implementation anyway.

> Most shops that use Kotlin on the backend also do Android development, as means to do core sharing between backend and Android

None of the companies that I wrote Kotlin for or that I applied to used Kotlin for code sharing between backend and Android. It seems as if you're making a lot of assumptions in this comment thread.

Doesn't change the size of the market share anyway, an assumption done on links I shared, because this is the Internet and we have to prove every little word we write.

Can share more market research reports if you feel like, with similar numbers.

I don't care about the market size as long as it's big enough that I can find jobs, which I can.

Also no idea how the links you posted are supposed to support your assertion that Kotlin is chosen due to code sharing considerations.

Being able to find jobs in a specic technology is a very regional thing, given the market size.

The links I posted, and others I can reach out for, support my assertions of 10% Kotlin market size in JVM deployments.

What you call my assertion, is my assumption about where those 10% are coming from.

Given that Java is one of the most used languages globally, 10% of it is still significant. It's definitely easier to find a (backend dev) job using Kotlin around here than one using Elixir, Common Lisp or Haskell, yet I don't see you going around bashing those communities.

I have never seen Kotlin code sharing between Android and backend, it never was even remotely a topic in my client projects that used Kotlin for both.

Is Fleet Jetbrains' Servo?

I tried it for a few hours. I have no idea what I was supposed to notice.

Was the intent do be a new collaboration-first engine? Yes please.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com