> relatively full lives
Thanks to point out the difference between industrial and family farm. However I'm not sure what farms in particular you have in mind but anything commercial has non incentive to let the animal live a "relatively full life": the meat of a relatively old animal taste far from what people are used to eat and is (way) more expensive to produce. Some producers add a few weeks to the legal minimum to let them grow a bit more but nothing near their natural expectancy. Lets take chickens for exemple, here in EU:
- standard are harvest 35 days (32 if for export)
- certified (floor, outdoor) at 56 days
- highest quality (Bio and local certifications): 81 day
- egg poultry final harvest: around 1 year and half when egg production slow down
- natural life expectancy of a chicken: 8-10 years.
> can live happy
"happier" would be more accurate IMHO but as some people point our frequently: we can't know for sure how another animal feels so it's only guess. What we can do is remove the farm fences and do not force them onto the slaughter house. They'll choose themselves to go to what makes them happy.
Joel Salatin practices the sort of farming I'm familiar with: https://www.youtube.com/@farmlikealunatic
This is what happy chickens look like: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VHvDEzpD5es
and happy pigs: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B6qk0IbCC5U
The figures you quote are not for heritage breeds. They are for breeds which have been selected for extremely rapid growth, often to the detriment of the health of the animal (and presumably the person consuming them).
> the meat of a relatively old animal taste far from what people are used to eat and is (way) more expensive to produce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coq_au_vin has been the definition of a peasant dish for a century or two at least.
> but as some people point our frequently: we can't know for sure how another animal feels so it's only guess.
Anyone who's spent time with animals knows. As surely as you know if your dog is happy. People are the ones who hide their feelings.
The animals might have been happy (or, at least happier than in a factory farm), but clearly their life were short.
You don't know me, or my experiences, or circumstances. Only your own. So I don't see how it could be any other way. I hope you feel better, friend. And that whoever made you feel that way learns better.
You wouldn’t be saying these things if the aliens came and harvested your children for food.
I once watched a film of a persistence hunter approaching the prey he'd chased for miles. He spoke to it, approached it calmly, sat with it and caressed it, put it's head on his lap and held it for a minute, petting it like a dog and shushing and whispering to it. And then he cut it's throat, and cried as it died.
That's what living on the farm is like. That's real life, fully and authentically felt. In my opinion, all the living things I eat deserve such respect and reverence for furthering my life.
You can feel differently. Lots of folks do.
> You wouldn’t be saying these things if the aliens came and harvested your children for food.
What if the aliens look like plants? What if they're here already? What if they're your distant cousin?
Funny thing - when you look at single celled organisms like bacteria and yeasts under a microscope, they engage in behaviors which seem shockingly like animal behaviors. They seem to explore their environment, have senses, hunt and eat, reproduce, and notably, they seem to dislike specific stimuli. They really meet every definition I can think of for a being which appears to be conscious, including memory, and we eat them by the billions without even knowing.
> all the living things I eat deserve such respect and reverence
How does that help them when you're consuming their flesh without consent? Let's all fornicate with these animals, just make sure to show respect after!
I can kinda understand how factory farming is the bad bit as opposed to a traditional farming, but you have to stop and think, who are we to decide these other beings lives?
Get yourself out of your human-centric, mammal-centric, animal-centric point of view and realize that at the cellular level we're effectively indistinguishable. We can't even talk to Dolphins, who we know are intelligent, and you expect me to discount the intelligence of every other living thing? Laughable. We're all made of the same stuff, all the way down, and humans aren't exceptional.
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_perception_(physiology) Your chief take-away should be that plants know when they're being eaten, and take actions to defend themselves.
The necessity of death in order to further life is why every religion has thankfulness rituals around meals.
These aren't new thoughts, or thoughts unique to me. Look into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
> who are we to decide these other beings lives?
Some folks, who've asked that question, decided they didn't have the right, and aren't available to talk to any more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯