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That's a generalization that does not help the vision of the world he had. Putin is the villain. Spreading the bad image of Russian people in general is not really helping anything. Even if the polls in Russia might show support for the war, it's mostly because everybody in Russia if afraid of speaking their opinion in public.

Putin is a product of Russian culture. To deny discussions about failed, catastrophic nurture equals handing the debate via silence back to the racist and nature. Ignoring the patterns by paying attention only to conflicts with the west / clichees involved gets your ideas bankrupt .

Empires in all incarnations are pure evil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russi...

They're not afraid, they're disinterested in politics as long as it doesn't affect their day to day life, so food and fuel prices remaining manageable.

Putin is popular and has personal interest in remaining so, because otherwise Russian elites will find themselves a new Putin.

Bergoglio was a South American intellectual. He could recognize a proxy war when he saw one. That's why his account of the war was a tad more complex and articulated than that of the average liberal Anglo.

I'm not liberal Anglo(or any Anglo), so let me explain - Russia attacked Ukraine, because it thinks it's imperium. Russia kills Ukrainians and destroys their country for their sick ambitions.

Fact that other countries use the war for their own politics doesn't change it in the slightest.

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He even sees a proxy war when there is none...

Let me make this clear for you: Russia invaded Ukraine, and wants to erase the existence of Ukraine.

Russia steals Ukrainian grain and agricultural machines.

Russia destroys Ukrainian museums and any historical artefact related to Ukrainian writers.

Russia steals ukrainian children to raise them as russians.

Russia is engaged in open genocidal elimination of Ukraine. They speak about it openly, they write about it, they issue press releases about it.

There is no proxy there. Russia is doing all of this by themselves.

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