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> allegedly

Listen, it's pretty easy for anybody to allege all sorts of things. What's marginally harder is to meet a burden of some kind of proof when there's due process.

It should take more than "allegedly" to toss people into this Kafkaesque meat grinder.

He will go in front of a judge who will make the final deportation order.

Will he? That’s not how it’s gone for others who have been kidnapped by ICE and deported recently.

> The attorneys said they do not know where he is and have filed a petition in federal court seeking an order barring the government from removing him from the state or country.

He goes in front of an Immigration judge, not a local judge. His Habeas hearing will be based near his detainment location.

Has that been confirmed somewhere? Surely if Abrego Garcia had had a real hearing the court would have heard that he had an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador.

That's what happened to Mahmoud Khalil [0]. Khalil has not been charged as a criminal. He was moved from New York to a detention center in Louisiana. Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a memo saying Khalil is a risk and could not stay in the US. A Louisiana immigration judge ruled that she could not overrule Rubio's decision.

There is no reason to think the current Administration will not continue to use this tactic.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil

This is factually correct but potentially misleading. It does not require a criminal act nor a criminal trial to deport someone.

If you take a public stance - on social media, on recorded speeches in public, whatever - that supports an FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization), you can be deported. This includes Hamas (but it has to be Hamas, not Palestine. "Free Palestine" - fine. Posting martyrdom photos of terrorists, calling for the killing of Jews or the destruction of Israel, giving out Hamas propaganda, etc - not fine.)

Prior to citizenship, you can't be imprisoned for your speech but you can be denied citizenship or a visa for it. That may mean - as is often the case - you may be facing a prison sentence in your home country. If you say, rape a 14 year old, flee to the US and declare asylum, and then get deported because you were still actively involved with an FTO or engaged in other crimes, then you get to go back home and to the prison sentence you were originally going to face before fleeing.

Secretary of State Rubio has indeed issued a memo regarding the administration's desire to deport Mohsen Mahdawi: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/nyregion/rubio-mahdawi-de...

What are you basing this claim on?

He and his org distributed Hamas written materials. He is on film calling for the destruction of Israel and "the end of Western civilization".

I'm sorry he didn't care for the West, it seems appropriate we should send him home. If he hasn't finished his degree at age 30, we are probably doing his wallet a favor.

He allegedly supports Hamas? Is that in the article somewhere? It seems to me people are simply making things up to justify what seems pretty unjustifiable.

“ Khalil is not a citizen, and as such his permanent residency is based upon continuously meeting the government's definition of possessing "good moral character"

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1j9ata1/comme...

Another

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/us-jud...

“ That form asks: “Have you ever, or do you intend, to provide financial assistance or other support to terrorists or terrorist organizations?” As the Pittsburgh Jewish Chronicle reminds, less than a year after arriving at Columbia on a student visa, Khalil was leading American undergraduates in actions in support of Hamas after the October 7 massacres. Khalil was involved in illegal occupations of buildings, served as the negotiator on behalf of the occupying students with the university, pressuring the administration to accommodate student demands based on their illegal activity, and helped organize an illegal encampment on the campus that denied access to “Zionist” students. ”

You linked an anonymous Reddit post and some European blog post with dubious credibility. Just because someone states as a matter of fact that these people are "pro-Hamas" doesn't make it a matter of fact.

That first link is about Khalil. The original post is about Mahdawi, an entirely different person.

Mahdawi was actually interviewed by 60 Minutes a year ago. This is hardly a Mahmoud Khalil clone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA

Understand. I was providing rationale on why he can be eligible for deportation under US immigration laws for green card holders.

But this is the kind of ilk that is being defended here. It was known 3 months ago that he was subject to deportation.

https://x.com/neveragainlive1/status/1885157904681926934?s=4...

I'm confused, because the person depicted by that tweet does not AT ALL resemble the person being interviewed here a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA

Please at least watch this and see if you see his sincerity. Maybe you will end up as confused as me?

We need to use a scalpel, and not a sword, when it comes to distinguishing actual bad-actors, from mere associations to ethnicities or origins. For one thing, why would a guy who converted to Buddhism even do what that tweet is claiming?

Psychopaths can be whomever they want you to believe.

Lots of people hide behind “peace” just like the poor young boy who did supposedly good in school that murdered a classmate.

This guy is not a Buddhist. He is a terrorist loving activist. Deport him.

Do you really think this guy is a saint? https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1911978781402669113?s=46

Based on that description (which is all hearsay btw), no. Not a saint. But also no different from someone who grew up in a country that was infused with a certain narrative.

> This guy is not a Buddhist.

Literally counter to what he claimed. Even claiming publicly as a lie that you are a Buddhist, this endangers your life in Islam... and Palestine is VERY Muslim. That's what doesn't make sense. He's not (at least not anymore) a death-cultist, even if he does use some of the same language.

He has been undergrad for 16 years and what a great way to stay in green card status. Mahdawi, a foreign Columbia student, said he empathizes with Hamas, honored his cousin, a commander Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade, and told students “there’s nothing more honorable than dying for a noble cause.”

He's co-President of the Palestinian Student Union and organizer of pro-Hamas rallies. He appeared on 60 Minutes justifying the Oct 7th massacre.

Expressing his anger at Israel, Mohsen once stated that "stones and Molotovs weren’t enough” to satisfy his thirst for revenge.

Mohsen proudly noted on social media that his cousin is a high-ranking member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Mohsen led pro-Hamas protests under the “By Any Means Necessary” banner—standing beside @NerdeenKiswani who has openly called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.”

This guy is not a Buddhist. He is full of crap and a liar.

It sounds plausible that Mahdawi is the second person on Khalil's case memo [1]. If that's the case, the claim is that "alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States" is deportable.

[1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25894225-dhs-documen...

I'm not seeing that people here take issue with this. People here seem rather brainwashed themselves.

They support the only entity left to fight for their own country against textbook colonialists? Shocked.

You can't call for murdering people - or you get sent home.

If burning babies alive and gangraping corpses is your "resistance" then maybe you should let the "colonialists" win.

I was mainly devils'-advocating, up until this guy.

With this guy, I can find no fault. If you watch his 60 Minutes interview, it seems heartfelt and authentic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA Plus, if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate of Islam.

Something must be done... at least in his case.

He openly distributed Hamas materials.

Not materials supporting Hamas.. materials written by Hamas.

He openly called for the destruction of Israel on a speech that was recorded (by many people).

He organized several takeovers.

He's a 30 year old man who has been attending college for nearly 16 years.

Who is burning babies alive and gangraping corpses? We know that israel has been killing children for a long time now, and they have been recorded raping prisoners.

Hamas, who the gentleman being returned to his home country gave material support to, including distributing their produced materials at Columbia.

I am happy to send you the footage from October 7th if you'd like to see it. I recommend you keep a trash can nearby. It is the most horrific footage I have seen and beats out even the massacre at Bucha.

Yes please send them to me. Not only has the story of the "40 beheaded babies" been declared a hoax, there is zero proof of rape, let alone gang raping of corpses, let alone burning babies alive. This is the first I've heard of what you are claiming, and I seriously wondering where you are getting your news from.

What we do see is horrific footage day in and day out for the past 75+ years at the hands of israel, from brutal murdering, to starvation, to burning people alive, to sexual crimes, and countless war crimes. It is also confirmed that they employed the hannibal directive.

Sure. My email is in my profile - send me an email from any email address (it can be disposable or whatever) and I'll send back the videos.

In the meantime, here's the UK's report on the atrocities: https://www.7octparliamentarycommission.co.uk/

> "irrefutable record of the terrorists' crimes of homicide, rape, kidnapping and torture. As the report notes, this was "the largest single massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust".

The UN report (which was early on): https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-attacks-7october2023...

> The Special Representative of the Secretary-General (SRSG) on Sexual Violence in Conflict, Pramila Patten, found after a mission to Israel in January to February 2024 reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations, including in the form of rape and gang rape

And the UN issuing an update noting sexual rape of held hostages: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217

> The team also found a pattern of victims - mostly women - found fully or partially naked, bound and shot across multiple locations which “may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence”.

And several of the hostages (eg Aviva Siegal) reported being sexually assaulted including gang rape.

I already responded from the official UN report. There is zero evidence of rape, let alone gang rape, let alone gang rape of corpses (wut?): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605561

That's not what the UN report says. The UN report says that at the time they did not have forensic evidence of rapes on Oct 7th specifically.

They do not deny the videos, eyewitnesses or anything else.

Given that at least the woman who was gang raped on film after having her achilles tendon cut was then taken as a hostage, it'd be really hard to collect a rape kit on her.

Multiple well respected groups have said you are wrong. Everyone has said that rape has happened, that totally innocent civilians were massacred (set on fire, shot, grenaded). Hostages were killed including through torture (including yanking off fingers) and sexually abused.

Your position is contrary to all available evidence. You are not defending truth, you are hiding from it.

That is literally taken from the UN report. There are no videos of rape, and there are articles showing that no one came forth for eye witnesses. The fact of the matter is that all of "evidence" was strictly by the israeli side, with no third party confirmation. Not only that, they were exposed many times for providing doctored "evidence".

Where is this woman who was gang raped? Please show the evidence? The israelis employed the hannibal directive on their own people.

I emailed you, still waiting for the response

i don't see a lot of people providing objective observation on this topic, it's all group think hyperbole.

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