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You mean?
- Everything the Democrats screw up on is the Democrats fault.
- Everything the Republicans screw up on is the Democrats fault.
So the only correct thing to do is vote for Republicans? This is why America can't have nice things.
> So the only correct thing to do is vote for Republicans?
How could this possibly be the conclusion to someone saying the Dems are what led us to Trump?
We can’t judge how same or different the DNC will be in 2028 much like you could not see Trump as a contender when Romney faced off Obama in 2012.
So, I’d say your estimate of “zero chance” is too early. Let’s see who the dems field in the midterms first.
This isn't just a US phenomenon. Similar in Europe with far-right authoritarian parties' rise having been made inevitable by their "labour" parties. Though the Dems case is significantly worse, hence why Trump is worse than anything we've seen in Western-Europe.
Look, what you're saying is obviously true, but you've got to look at the bigger picture. Trump didn't show up out of nowhere, there's at least 2 decades of relevant US governments. You can't just ignore all of that context.
The Dems too, with very few exceptions (the Reps also used to have such exceptions pre-MAGA) only care about their own, individual power. 2016 says it all. If they were any better, they could've picked a hundred other candidates who'd have beaten Trump, and if he'd lost it's almost unthinkable the Reps would've nominated him again in 2020. They didn't, they knowingly picked one of the very few options who at the time would lose. They picked her for pure individual power structural reasons. Because that's what they do. 2024 all but confirmed that. They're only interested in image and optics to preserve their own standing, or they would've cut Biden far earlier.
In HN terms: Stop anthropomorphizing Larry Ellisson. He's been a lawnmower for decades. And the same goes for the Dems.
If you recall, the Republicans had a very large field (15?) candidates initially, and Trump was seen even by Republicans as an entertaining but embarrassing candidate. Yet Trump beat every one of those well-financed, established GOP candidates.
The GOP has the power to stand up to Trump immediately with legislation or with impeachment. The Democrats are already on record as voting for impeachment. Trump has continued to do lots of stuff that is impeachable with lots of evidence. Had the GOP impeached Trump when they had the chance, they would have been rid of him by now.
In addition, with this last election, a bunch of idiotic people sat on their ass going "But they're both the same." or "I don't get into politics." As if their "status quo" status was somehow a virtuous deed instead of a disgusting malfeasance cloaked in laziness.
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -- John Philpot Curran, 1790
You know the Larry Ellison lawnmower one, right? That's what you're doing with the GOP, and really, with voters. Actions have consequences. Both in 2016, and 2024, if the Dems wanted to win, they could've. If they wanted to stop Trump, they could've. They didn't. They had the power and intelligence to do so. Whether people vote or not vote is a consequence of the last 20 years of history. It's a few billion parameter model. Given the parameters, the outcome is set. The Dems for decades provided inputs to these parameters that were always going to lead to this outcome.
For what it's worth, I was being a bit provocative. As it's not the Dems who got us Trump - it's the Dems and the Reps who got us Trump.