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That hasn't been my experience, nor that of others using the AI.

It's a force constant, rather than a multiplier. If you're low skilled, asking it to do a low skilled task, it works fine. If you're high skilled, and asked it to do the low skilled task, you saved a tiny bit of time (less than that of the low skilled person).

But it cannot do a high skilled task (at least, not right now). It can pretend, which can lead the low skilled person astray (but not the high skilled person).

Therefore, all AI does is raise the floor of what is achievable by the laymen, rather than multiply the productivity of a high skilled programmer.

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You could also be a mixed skilled developer. Good at regular code, architecture, and algorithms but not as familiar with a given UI framework. Having the LLM generate the html and css for a given layout description saves a lot of time looking through the docs.

Does it really? The thing is that there’s a domain model beneath each kind of library and if they solve the same problem, you will find that they will generally follows the same pattern.

Let’s take the web. React, Svelte, Angular, Alpine.js, all have the same problems they’re solving. Binding some kind of state to a template, handling form interactions, decompose the page into “components”,… once you got the gist of that, it’s pretty easy to learn. And if you care about your code being correct, you still have to learn the framework to avoid pitfalls.

Same things with 3D engines, audio frameworks, physic engines, math packages,…

Using myself as an example -- I'm a long time C programmer (occasionally in a professional setting, mostly personal or as a side-item on my primary professional duties). I've picked up other languages through the years, had to deliver a web based application a few years ago so I did a deep-dive into html5, css3, and javascript. Now javascript has evolved since then, and I lost a bit of what I learned.

So now I want to do a new web application -- If I fall back on my C roots, my Javascript looks a lot like C. Example: adding an item to an array. The C style in Javascript would be to track the length of the array in another variable "len", and do something like myarray[len++] = new_value;

I can feed this into an LLM, or even say "Give me the syntax to add a value to an array", and it gives me "myArray.push(newValue)", which reminds me that "Oh yeah, I'm dealing with a functional/object oriented language, I can do stuff like this". And it reminds me that camelCase is preferred in Javascript. (of course, this isn't the real situation I've run into, just a simplified example -- but I really don't have all the method names memorized for each data type. So in that manner it is useful to get more concise (and proper) code.

I'm sure this is valuable for you, but here is my point of view.

I've worked professionally in many languages like Perl, Python, Kotlin, C# and dabbled in Common Lisp, Prolog, Clojure, and other exotics one. Whenever I forgot the exact syntax (like the loop DSL in CL), I know that there is a specific page in the docs that details all of these information. So just a quick keyword in a search engine and I will find it.

So when I come back in a language I haven't used in a while, I've got a few browser tabs opened. But that only lasts for a few days until I get back in the grove.

So for your specific example, my primary choice would have been the IDE autocompletion, then the MDN documentation for the array type. Barring that, I would have some books on the language opened (if it were some language that I'm learning).

LLMs will be best at HTML and CSS among programming languages because even if it's subtly wrong the browser will still render something.

Still, I'm not sure I need to spend $250/yr to occasionally generate some HTML that I could use a template to generate

My high skilled example from the other day: I wrote an algorithm out line by line in detail and had Claude turn it into avx2 intrinsics. It worked really well and i didn't have to dig through the manuals to remember how to get the lanes shuffled in the way I needed. Probably saved me 10 minutes but it would have been an annoying 10 minutes. :)

But that's a very low level task, where i had already decided on the "how it should be done" part. I find in general that for things that aren't really obvious, telling the llm _how_ to do it produces much more satisfactory results. I'm not quite sure how to measure that force multiplier - I can put in the same amount of work as a junior person and get better output?

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