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Going through pre-clearance in Canada would put you at much lower risk of hoover-age by ICE. According to the Preclearance Act all CBP can do is detain you until they hand you over to the Canadian police - section 14(2) - ... and maybe a light strip search if the situation warrants - section 13(1). [1]

[1] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-19.32/FullText.ht...

[edit] There's also pre-clearance facilities at Dublin and Shannon in Ireland, and sprinkled around the Caribbean. Abu Dhabi has one but visiting Emirati jail is not top of my to-do list.

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The state of "the law" in the United States is that you can be grabbed off the street at any point, denied a trial and detained indefinitely. As someone outside the US I would not risk visiting even if it's "unlikely". Especially as a member of a minority that is currently unpopular with the US government.

Hell, you might end up in a Salvadoran prison providing forced labor.

Yeah, look on the brighter side. Human rights are temporary; Salvadoran GDP is forever /s

> hoover-age

I presume that you allude to a vacuuming kind of process of your details, but rather apt now that the US has entered a new Hoover age.

pretty sure they were referring to vacuuming up of actual people, not just their details

“Hoover, he was a body remover”

Much lower risk, ok. But the question is, why risk it instead of going elsewhere? To the Bahamas instead of Florida?

Given the current situation, people also may not want to hand over their personal information and identity to be stored in a US government database.

I'm sure that you have a point, according to written policy and law.

Trump has made a point of not caring about stuff like that, so who really knows?

Preclearance happens on Canadian soil, it's not an embassy. They would have to literally kidnap you and take you on a commercial flight to the US. If you're worried about the US kidnapping you from foreign countries, then I strongly suggest you speak to an attorney because I suspect you have bigger things to worry about than a Florida vacation.

[edit] Ah, I see, I didn't catch that you meant on arrival. I suppose that is a risk, but it does seem like you'd really have to make someone's shit list to be admitted only to then immediately be removed.

I think they meant CBP snatching you up at a port of entry regardless of your pre-clearance status.

Or literally anywhere else in the country. A week 1 priority was expanding CBP's Constitution-free purview for expedited expulsion across the entire country.

Yeah, given that they have been detaining green cards holders all bets are off.

…without charging them, and without any prior criminal record.

They could allow you to enter and then detain you when you land in the US.

If today's news tells us Trump is kidnapping people from other countries I doubt anyone would be shocked and it wouldn't even be frontpage news.

I'm fairly sure I read something yesterday about ICE making "collateral" arrests in raids.

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