The argument goes: Because 3% of the population is antisocial personality disorder in the screens on TV and the internet tell them it's okay to commit violence against you because Nazis.
You may not care but the crazy people care a lot.
You may not care but the crazy people care a lot.
People driving Teslas haven't been getting physically assaulted, so self defense isn't what we're talking about here.
That kind of escalation is very American of you.
I'd like to remind you of the demonstration of the "bulletproof" windows of the Cybertruck and consider quite how bad things may get if Americans don't learn to live with each other without constantly laughing about "triggering" each other when the more literal trigger is on the firearms you have a constitutional right to own.
That so many are, like yourself, so blasé about the risks, was one reason I decided against migrating to the USA when I had the chance.
On the Venn diagram of "risky things" and "sane things", there's a lot of overlap.
But I'd say "aggravating people who have a right to bear guns" is not in the overlap.
Court order, H1B, still deported: https://www.newsweek.com/medical-doctor-deported-us-despite-...
> H1B should be for people like Musk, not randos that happen to know a few things.
QED you yourself falsify your own prior statement, "literally nobody has a problem with immigrants using legal methods".
This is a person using a legal method.
You have a problem with that.
america first, what’s hard to understand there?
You specifically said something which is false: "literally nobody has a problem with immigrants using legal methods".
This is false because your own statements in these very comments are continuing to demonstrate that you, personally, have a problem with immigrants using legal methods.
Abuse of the legal system? That would be a SLAPP, which is something your own example of Elon Musk has done, not "applying for and being granted a visa":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/25/musk-x-...
https://www.wmur.com/article/german-national-fabian-schmidt-...
The only change I have to do to make to your comment for it to be about the events of Jan 6 2021, is a single "left" becoming "right".
Now, as a non-American who isn't immunised and calloused to your nation's vocal rhetoric and use of literal gun sights in political campaign posters, I can't tell how close you are to a civil war.
I would rather not watch you have one, not even at this distance. So please, figure out how to not be cruel to each other.
I didn't call the arson attacks "peaceful".
> So please, figure out how to not be cruel to each other.
It'd start by Europeans not egging on Americans to be complicit with or actively commit violence against other people's property.
Yes. Only one of "invading Capitol buildings to disrupt election confirmation while chanting 'Hang Mike Pence'" and "arson against private company and their vehicles" is actually attempting to overturn an election.
But both can be described by the comment I quoted, modulo s/left/right/
> It'd start by Europeans not egging on Americans to be complicit with or actively commit violence against other people's property.
I'm literally saying to chill and not escalate. Calling for you to not wind each other up. Musk, however: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydddy3qzgo
what direct cost to individuals did Jan 6 cause? did anybody in Jan 6 loop individual citizens in and destroy their property to force alignment? no you say? this is literal terrorism because the entire point is to force an outcome using fear and violence and they should be dealt with according to US terrorism law.
Other than the funeral costs[0], the medical bills for injuries[1][2], journalists had equipment damaged[2][a] and stolen[3], various people had to increase security due to being doxxed[4], statues within the Capitol buildings were damaged[5], and the Speaker of the House had her laptop stolen[6] (more important due to her position than the device).
You may consider "$30 million"[7] to be peanuts, though that's without the cost of actually policing the event which was over 10x that[8]. The victims by and large, were not so rich as to be able to ignore such costs — even including the representatives (though most of the harm wasn't to their person, just their offices), though for this caveat about mere physical enumerable cost rather than political intimidation I am mainly talking about the journalists who had their stuff destroyed and the police who were injured.
And the FBI still doesn't know who planted the pipe bombs (plural!)[b].
> no you say?
What, exactly, do you think about 1500 people were convicted for doing? And they were convicted, even though Trump then pardoned them[9].
Why did you think Trump was impeached twice?
Why did you think Colorado, Maine, and Illinois tried to block Trump from being on the ballot?
Why, given Trump's record that included him not caring about people chanting to hang his own Vice President[10][11][12], do you think the Republican party allowed him back on their ticket if not for their members being intimidated by these riots?
> this is literal terrorism because the entire point is to force an outcome using fear and violence and they should be dealt with according to US terrorism law.
Yes, the Jan 6 attacks were in fact terrorism.
The fact you're trying to downplay that while being upset about property damage… is, unfortunately, very human.
I say "unfortunately", because that means it's hard to resolve. I can't just tell you to be reasonable, because reason is not how you got to your current state — that's very, very, dangerous, but I can't simply talk you out of this, and that means there's a huge chance you're going to escalate this and then be surprised by the response, which you don't see coming because you can't put yourself in other's shoes and see how you look from their point of view, how you're making enemies out of fellow citizens and making them fear for their lives and want to use against you the very force you say is fine when your own side does it.
Step back. Chill. Meet some people on the other side of the aisle. Share a beer and watch some sports or something. Whatever it is you Americans do for fun. Make friends, before this gets any worse.
Doing that might even prevent it getting worse.
Hopefully.
But here's a question for you: when you get to reading this paragraph, had you read any of these citations and considered them, or did you start drafting your reply performing what is called "arguments-as-soldiers" and disregarding anything that didn't fit your world view?
Because none of this should be news to you.
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[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick
[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533186-1-capitol-police-o...
[2] https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533022-videos-show-protest...
[a] https://www.denver7.com/news/election-2020/rioters-at-capito...
[3] https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2021/journali...
[4] https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-agents-tackle-jan-6-16130...
[5] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/smithsonian-curato...
[6] https://www.lex18.com/news/kentucky-man-suspected-of-stealin...
[7] https://pressnewsagency.org/capitol-riot-costs-will-exceed-3...
[8] https://taskandpurpose.com/news/financial-cost-capitol-insur...
[b] https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ckgzwywe3k6o
[9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_January_6_United_Sta...
[10] https://web.archive.org/web/20210108204207/https://www.busin...
[11] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
[12] https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pence-scorches-trump-en...
> But here's a question for you: when you get to reading this paragraph, had you read any of these citations and considered them, or did you start drafting your reply performing what is called "arguments-as-soldiers" and disregarding anything that didn't fit your world view?
TL;DR: 30 million dollars of enumerable damages, ~1500 convictions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTjBR0jicAo
Bill Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.
Schofield Kid: Yeah. Well I guess they had it coming.
Bill Munny: We all have it coming, kid.
The acting here is much better than these simple lines as well as the lead up to them.
Suffice to say, talking about dealing death over property online is a lot easier than living with it.
Finally I start reading some sanity over here.