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One relatively simple thing we're missing on the Swedish cloud market is someone offering OIDC SSO, Chat, Video meetings, e-mail, calendar and file sharing.

I can't even say which European company offers this, Proton maybe?

Being a long time open source advocate I think it can be done, but system integration would never be as good as MS or Google.

But this simple platform would get a lot of SMB's to migrate.

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Legally Proton is not based in European Union nor European Economic Area. Switzerland is extra EU just like USA, China or Russia

You cant compare switzerland to china or russia lol

its more like EU is 10, switzerland is 11 or 12

Then compare it to Singapore.

Some comparisons: Singapore is a de-facto single party state with widespread government censorship, heavily limited civil rights, government/ruling party controlled media and heavy ethnic discrimination. Switzerland OTOH is almost a model country for such metrics.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore/freedom-world/202...

https://freedomhouse.org/country/switzerland/freedom-world/2...

it is still better than russia or china, comparable to switzerland

I might argue it is better than switzerland, most asia pacific data center is in singapore for southern hemisphere

No not like USA, China or Russia. Switzerland has very strong ties with the EU and synchronises with the EU on most legal developments.

It is part of Schengen, free movement of people (try moving to the US from Europe), aligned their data protection law with GDPR etc.

It's very different from the countries you mention who don't make any effort to align with EU and are our adversaries in many cases.

The European Commission has recognized the Swiss Data Protection Act as equivalent to the GDPR. This allows data to continue to flow freely between Switzerland and the EU.

Yaeh, but they also gave that seal to the US authorities even though everyone clearly knew that this was based purely on wishful thinking.

Proton is nowhere near M365 capability set unfortunately. M365 really caters for the big enterprise. Data Loss Protection, integrated security, it has a lot of that stuff in the backend. Not to mention all the gaps in user-facing apps like chat, video, office suite.

Perhaps they will get there but they're nowhere near there right now. You could use it together with MS Office standalone but then you're still dependent on Microsoft.

Um, after “simple” you’ve listed six different kinds of services. Just operating that any kind of nontrivial scale will require quite a bit of headcount.

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