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Elon Musk says a lot of things. Is it really a cyberattack, or is the site just experiencing an outage due to an over-worked and understaffed team who were told to move fast and break things?

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Do you have any source at all for it being due to that?

Musk's post was also retweeted by engineers working at X:

https://x.com/yacineMTB

It seems more likely that you made up your claim because you disagree with the website owner's politics.

No he did not make up his claim. The parent is just using his own brain, while you’re just blindly following your leader

Well I asked him to provide any evidence at all to back up why his brain came to conclusion that it did. In the absence of any evidence, the natural conclusion is that he just made it up.

I did not make a claim; I asked a simple question: is the Twitter outage a result of a cyberattack or is it due to a technical failure?

I asked this question for a few reasons:

- Elon Musk is an inveterate liar.

- things often fail at his companies (see the most recent space x launch).

- he is a known tyrant of a boss, so his employees are unlikely to disagree with him publicly.

- he has demonstrated at the so-called doge that he will move fast and break things.

- he often looks to blame others when things go wrong. For example, just this weekend he said that 5 people (who just happen to be Jewish) are funding the Tesla Takedown movement, denying that it could be an organic movement.

These are just a few of the reasons that I’m questioning Musk. I assume everything he says is a lie until I get evidence to the contrary.

good rule of thumb is - when you hear/read something musk says, immediately assume the exact opposite is true and work from there. he is no longer capable of telling the truth even if it is to his own benefit :)

I want to make one correction here: of the 5 people Musk claimed are funding anti-Tesla protests, only 3 of them are Jewish. The other two are dead.

I sincerely regret this error.

At this point I would not trust a single engineer at X.

But like if you say you refuse to believe the owner of the company and everyone who works there aren’t you ignoring basically all primary sources?

That seems like a pretty closed minded and bigoted way of thinking.

When an entity has a long history of making shit up, it's entirely reasonable to assume that any future claims are equally made up.

> That seems like a pretty closed minded and bigoted way of thinking.

You're ignoring a copious amount of evidence, publicly available, with regards to his character and honesty. That's a choice.

https://elonmusk.today/

https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+musk+lies+misinformatio...

I don’t know, none of this looks like evidence to me, just a series of things he’s said that didn’t come true. I would interpret a lot of these as optimistic predictions that didn’t come true, not outright lies.

A lie is something you say that you know is false. You can predict you’ll be able to do something, try and fail, and I would consider it a lie.

You could also build a website listing tons of things he predicted that did actually come true.

But honestly man whatever. I am trying to discuss in good faith and all that happens is downvotes into oblivion. I am trying to provide substantive answers and discussion in good faith. This site obviously does not allow for unpopular opinions.

I just hope you know that you are not the good guys, you are not on the right side of history, and you are every bit as bigoted as the people you think you’re fighting against.

He said that it is true that the recent California wildfires were part of the "globalist plot to wage economic warfare and deindustrialize the United States". That demonstrates that he has become uncoupled from reality.

It is very hard to believe you are acting in good faith when you are repeatedly calling people bigoted.

He threw two, not zero, Nazi salutes. You calling _me_ a bigot for refusing to believe anyone associated with that place? Okay, if you must. I can live with that.

Well, there was a time I believed Musk, I won't make that mistake again.

The person you are referencing is a well-known shitposter.

>is the site just experiencing an outage due to an over-worked and understaffed team who were told to move fast and break things?

Doubt it. If anything they've shown to be a phenomenal team. I would believe the cyberattack claim.

In what ways have they shown to be a phenomenal team? Genuinely curious.

I've seen their embed break on pretty much every site that embeds Twitter feeds, accessibility of their site has taken a massive hit, Twitter's 2024 Q4 revenue is down to less than half of its 2021 Q4 peak,[0] and now this...

Are you referring to any specific accomplishments?

[0] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

X has shipped way more new features on the past year than in the rest of its existence.

Musk famously reduced head count by like ... 80%? To me, that speaks of a very capable team. But yeah, downvote this one as well, the truth is evident anyway, lol.

"X has shipped way more new features on the past year than in the rest of its existence."

This makes you sound like you live in Elon's alternate reality.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/05/elon-musk-twitter-everythi...

Yeah, I'm imagining a lot of things.

lol, the last year on that list is mostly a pitiful collection of minor tweaks and “plans” to do stuff in the future. Any day now, I’m sure.

Those look like mostly nonsense tweaks to put a "paywall"/"sign-in wall" on content. They have mostly made the service less useful to the world.

I never downvoted you but it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. X has definitely not shipped way more new features in the past year than the rest of existence.

I don't even know how you would quantify that but features are only possible when you have a good architecture (incl. infrastructure and well-thought out interfaces) already in place. That kind of stuff takes years and was done by the team before Musk even took over.

I also feel you're completely discounting the regressions. Twitter has suffered search engine discoverability; the API has completely broken in their attempt to monopolize it; and the entire accessibility team was axed leading to a very broken user experience for those relying on screen readers. Maybe those features just don't matter to you but in an attempt to quantify "number of features shipped" they should definitely be accounted for somehow

Well Musk lied about exactly this sort of thing last year, blaming a non-existant DDoS attack that turned out to just be poor engineering on their part. Given his massive track record of lies on all sorts of topics anything he says on twitter should be assumed false unless proven otherwise.

Do you have any evidence that that happened? I have never read about that.

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