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That is what the buffoon wants - he wants to be able to enact his policies without any checks and complain from anyone. So that he can threaten to annex Canada and then blame Canada for responding. So that he can actively help Russia without that being pointed out.

So that he can waste California water and then blame democrats when it is missing in the summer.

maybe spend the time talking to his voters?

Unfortunately that has never been successful for me. You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

Oh, you'd just a few months ago never have believed how geopolitically measured and sensible a lot of them are lately starting to sound. Nervous, too. They might not mostly be ready to admit how bad they fucked up, but the fact of it is fast dawning on them and a lot of them, at least in my broader circles, are starting to get scared. Too late, sad to say.

It does not matter, because I as a human do not matter to those people. Harm to me is benefit for them. I am tired to being insulted and being told things I am 100% sure are lies.

Can we please stop pretending that some kind of nice rational discussion can be a solution to anything here? I cant convince them, because Rogan, Trump, Musk, Vance, Bannon and the whole apparatus of republican party wins by lying and creating false outrages.

>Can we please stop pretending that some kind of nice rational discussion can be a solution to anything here?

So what alternative means do you propose? Details, times, and locations would be appreciated.

I propose to stop creating that fiction. These people lie with harmful intent and giving them forever infinite benefit of the doubt is wrong. Or euphemism around instead of saying what goes on.

So at first, stop excusing them and stop helping them.

Stop telling us "listen to them". We did, you are the one who is not listening to them. Those who listened correctly predicted a whole bunch of things and were called paranoid by enablers.

>These people lie with harmful intent and giving them forever infinite benefit of the doubt is wrong. >stop excusing them and stop helping them.

I 100% agree, though I wish this doubt and non-excuse would be applied unilaterally over all political parties, bureaucracies, and NGO. Trusting someone merely because what they said makes butterflies bubble in our spleen, or worse; Trusting them because of the letter in parentheses appended to their name (R/D), is what got us to this point.

Actions count, and in the case of politics, that means what the laws DO -the actual application and implementation, which is usually entirely glossed over by most voters, and just blamed on the other guy.

Don't listen to politicians; They are paid to lie. Listen to your fellow citizens, who are like you forced to deal with this mess, and are pitted against each other by liars and thieves.

Your fellow citizens are liars too, and refuse to take responsability for their choices and actions - such as who they voted for.

>Those who listened correctly predicted a whole bunch of things and were called paranoid by enablers.

was being called paranoid not also predictable?

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