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I'd heard from sources I consider reputable that all allegations of physically blocking doorways were made up and the protestors remained outdoors and that furthermore, the Israeli students perceived the existence of the Palestinian flag in their line of sight, anywhere, ever, to constitute intimidation and discrimination regardless of the context.

What are some good sources to reconcile your claims with these other claims and find out the truth?

> Pro-Palestinian student protesters at Columbia University early Tuesday charged the same campus building that students advocating for racial justice occupied in the 1960s, a significant escalation at the elite institution that launched dozens of campus demonstrations across the world.

> “We will not leave until Columbia meets every one of our demands,” one of the students yelled from a balcony window. The demands include university divestment from Israel, disclosure of Columbia investments and protections for protesters.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/30/pro-palestinian-col...

Why post a comment like yours that can be disproven within 2 seconds of Googling?

There was literally a song written about this by Macklemore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind%27s_Hall

I'm curious what you think your sources say? You originally claimed that this protest leader participated in the act of selectively denying access to campus facilities for Jewish people. That Politico article does not support your claim.

I did not claim that he directly participated in that. If you simply google his name, in every article the word 'leader' is used to describe him in relation to the Columbia protests, protests which did include such acts.

You still haven't cited any sources that support your claim.

What claim?

He was a leader of protests at Columbia which involved physically blocking Jewish students from entering classes and other forms of overt discrimination and intimidation directed at Jewish and Israeli students.

This potential bullshit.

Which specific thing are you questioning?

That he was a leader of protests at Columbia? That the protests involved physically blocking Jewish students? That the protests involved intimidation directed at Jewish and Israeli students?

It was a full sentence. Try backing it up with facts. This shouldn't take a 7 comment deep thread to handle, unless maybe you are full of shit and want to bury that fact with some of your bullshit.

You are trolling or I suppose you are just upset that your guy is being deported. If there's something specific you want me to find a source for, let me know.

I'm trolling? For asking you to source one claim? This is the sixth time you've been asked to provide sources. Two people have asked. Your unsourced comment is flagged. The one source you provided does not match your claims afaict.

Ok you want the source for one of the claims?

Here's Al Jazeera calling Mahmoud Khalil a "student leader of Columbia protests":

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/9/mahmoud-khalil-stude...

You can find many other mainstream sources calling him a "leader" by simply doing a Google News search for the term "Mahmoud Khalil leader".

This is something you could have taken 2 seconds to Google. This is why you're trolling and acting in bad faith. Regardless of our discussions here, Mahmoud is being deported and many more are to come according to statement put out by the White House.

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1899151926777749618

That is, again, not backing up your full claim, that the protests selectively denied access to campus facilities to Jewish students.

> For asking you to source one claim?

> not backing up your full claim

Does this help you understand your issue now?

You can't just source half a sentence. You sourced maybe 1/3 of one claim. The least important third, too.

> 1/3 of one claim

This should be your clue that there are multiple claims which is why I asked you which ones you wanted evidence for.

Still no sources, just excuses.

I appreciate the source and I'll get back to you with a detailed reply of my own once I've finished reading it and searching for corroborating details on the people who were there. Watch this space.

I will check back but there are literally pictures and videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16rEIXWcGs

I would encourage you to think more critically. If you organized a peaceful protest should you be held liable for other peoples actions? He was apparently deported for speech, not violence according to the parent comment.

Well, it depends. What was the protest against?

Restraining others from entering or leaving is no longer "peaceful".

By all means, show us the video of him doing this then. Or is he being detained for the actions of somebody else?

I have no idea if there's footage of him personally doing such things, but he's a leader of the protests, and one of the people negotiating on behalf of the other protesters with the university. He is most definitely taking part in occupying part of campus illegally, so his ass should be deported.

A permanent resident should have a regular trial if warranted. Getting arrested first by immigration agency is the issue here.

> There's no issue with deporting someone like that and it is within the government's power to do so.

I feel like I know the answer to this but do you also believe we should just deport everyone that commits any crime irrespective of whether it's a misdemeanor or felony?

Non-citizens should not be participating in or fomenting political protests, especially ones that involve harassment, intimidation, destruction of private property, occupations of buildings, (all of which occurred throughout the Columbia protests).

If you are talking about deporting someone for getting a speeding ticket, that would be pretty draconian unless it was something very dangerous like doing 25 over in a school zone during school hours, etc.

> If you are talking about deporting someone for getting a speeding ticket, that would be pretty draconian unless it was something very dangerous like doing 25 over in a school zone during school hours, etc.

Lol sure ya let's deport people for speeding in a school zone. Forget due process or the justice system at all for these heathens nah just ship them off immediately. Like are these real words that reflect you're serious adult position on this? Do you really not have any sense that what you're saying is insane?

Deportation and having a formal judicial process are not mutually exclusive. It seems that you're not thinking very clearly about this topic.

Yup totally I'm the one not thinking clearly lololol.

For felonies, absolutely. For felonies and misdemeanors in the furtherance of political goals (as is the case here), absolutely. Otherwise you leave yourself wide open to political interference by foreign nations on your own soil.

The mistake that every single person makes that advocates for extreme measures is they assume the arbiter of those measures will always be on their side. Historically it's literally never been the case but who knows maybe you'll be part of the first group to always be in the good graces of dear leader. I wish you good luck!

Deporting foreign political agents isn't extreme though, it's been standard practice worldwide for thousands of years. It's actually less extreme than what has been practiced in many locales for dealing with foreign agents: torture, summary execution, etc.

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