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> maybe they can adopt "stop begging USA for military protection" as their value first.

Basically we did that already. But the preferred wording is "Don't rely on the USA because they are no longer trustworty."

> Basically we did that already.

You mean they were always capable of doing it but choose to fleece USA instead ? Ironically proving trump right.

Are you pretending that projecting power across the Atlantic was not something done by the US to protect its own interests? You think US kept bases in Europe out of goodness?

I am not sure if you are naive or just plain dumb.

To be frank, I love that the US decided to sacrifice its own power, forcing Europe to prop up its own defense industry instead of giving money to the US so it would strengthen itself first and foremost

you are talking about something else now. I responded to "we did it already" . afaik europe is still heavily dependent on usa and nothing actually has changed.

can you stay on topic and not resort to personal insults.

I think you just don't understand how international relations work. The US wanted those bases in Europe for its own interests.

And you might not be aware, but the EU just announced a hefty package to rearm itself. I wouldn't be surprised if in the comings months the US is out of NATO and those US bases in Europe are shut down.

And it is not really an insult, I still wonder if you are naive or dumb. I am friends with some very dumb people, it's not a character fault.

good, better late than never. no need to be angry.

It's even worse when you remember how Europeans kept criticizing the USA with the example of "European Socialism" and all the good they do for their people whilst America "doesn't have free healthcare" etc. The free-ride is unfortunately over, and they'll have to pony up for not just their own people and their security, but for the concept of "Europe" that the EU monarchs are so attached to and can't let go of.

That is, until the eastern-european countries realize who they're more aligned to culturally at this point, and start leaving one by one.

1 month of Trump in office, and NATO is already but a distant memory in american minds, not to mention USA's use of Article 5 after 9/11.

This is an incredibly childish take on geopolitics. It’s almost funny.

not as childish as 'we won't use your websites but we will use your military to protect ourselves'

Would you protect your family? Would you protect your friends?

Do they count on your protection and support (or you,on theirs)?

Do you tell them to just stop begging for your help and protection and ask what have they actually done for you?

Friends don't use friends websites ?

USA isn't boycotting ikea or spotify afaik.

> "what does Europe do for USA"

I hope nothing. We will try to annoy the US as much as possible.

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