As someone who has, uses, enjoys, and is often impressed with FSD, it is painful to participate in these discussions. There is an intense feeling of cognitive dissonance between seeing smart people, who I generally respect, decrying FSD without restraint... and then going and getting in my own car, tapping a destination, and not touching anything until I'm in the Costco parking lot.

I don't want to fight about it, I just want to throw it out there that there is _at least one_ person having enjoyable, safe, and consistent experiences on FSD 12.x (HW3) - and who does not usually participate in these conversations. By all means, vigorously discuss drawbacks of a vision only system (they exist!), but understand that the abrasiveness of these conversations does drive people away from sharing their own lived experiences.