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Sorry about the podcast link, the gist is that Ukraine now can build drones from cardboard, controlled from Kiev, London etc. that can destroy Russian tanks.

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More of the Ukraine conversation needs to be focused on this topic. The future of warfare is digital, automated, and utterly terrifying, and it's currently being shaped on the Ukrainian frontlines. Western militaries are going to be able to leapfrog their force structure based on the learnings in this war.

Ukraine is paying with their citizens lives for NATO to receive this education, while simultaneously weakening one of the western world's most dangerous geopolitical rivals. The fact that Americans can't see through the Fox News propaganda to understand this is unbelievable, embarrassing, and will set them back on the world stage for a generation or more.

Let’s be honest though: there has been an immense amount of propaganda on both sides. How many times has Ukraine reportedly embarrassed Russia, knocked them back on their heels, been within weeks of winning? All with young beautiful people on the front lines singing patriotic songs?

Russia is certainly the aggressor, let’s make no mistake. But I honestly can’t make heads or tails of what is actually happening in Ukraine because of all the universal propaganda

>The fact that Americans can't see through the Fox News propaganda to understand this is unbelievable, embarrassing, and will set them back on the world stage for a generation or more.

Just a friendly reminder to not paint "Americans" with a broad brush. We may not have got our way this past election, but there are plenty of us who see through the fucking bullshit.

I think you're in the minority. All Trump had to say was "I'll end wokeism and immigration" and he easily won the election.

>I think you're in the minority.

Whoa, you don't say.

All the opposition had to say was "I'll end wokeism and immigration and will also [popular policy Trump is against]" and they could have easily won themselves

The Democrats not being capable of winning and not taking the Trump threat seriously is another story. They are the third culprit after the naive voters and the scrupleless Republicans.

"We've seen that international law doesn't really work, but international engineering is very effective"

I would not bet against Ukraine.

Trouble with drones is that Russia makes them too.

Yes but Russians are attacking which makes them more vulnerable, i.e. their armored vehicles. Also, sanctions prevent Russians from using high tech components. Drones are a panacea but a great tool in defence.

A lot of promise about Ukraine "knockout blows" that turn out like woeful summer offensive or the dalliance in Kursk.

Yes, Zelensky just called Trump's bluff more or less.

And what will happen? Will the GOP do anything? Will the rest of NATO deal a devastating enough blow to Russia that it is forced to retreat? Will Russia not retaliate with a limited nuclear escalation?

Don’t forget that the whole “Iron Dome” thing Trump has been talking about, if viable, would necessarily prompt immediate attacks before it becomes operational.

>if viable

Well, fortunately there's no way it could be viable, but that's relying on China and Russia to not fall for it.

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