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Touché. Would you disagree with a more factual "mass-suffering profiteer"?

I’d say the general public got sick of the strawman version of the democrats presented by Fox News and other right media. The disinformation was epic.

You say that as if everyone hasn’t had first hand experience with them. That’s a very out of touch perspective.

First hand experience with who, democrats? If that is your point then I have to disagree with you from my own personal experience. I've had a bunch of conversations over the last few years with Republican voters who have had zero interaction with anything except the mentioned straw/boogieman democrats. Almost all of those conversations have followed a path of "what would reasonable policy be for X" and then looking up the Republican policy vs the Democrat policy and then a tantrum.

They interacted with you though, didn't they? Sounds like you didn't sell them.

If one of your family members was killed because of Brian Thompson using an bot to auto deny valid medical claims, among hundreds of thousands of others, you'd consider him a mass murderer too.

Do you have an argument about why you think what he did wasn't mass murder? Do you not like the specific term, do you think he should have been prosecuted but disagree with the wording, what's your actual position or are you just going to make vague irrelevant platitudes? (Left right politics isn't even relevant to this issue either)

No, the democrats lost because their fundamental offering was conservatism but they didn't own it, but rather let their latent expectation for progress be filled in with perfunctory and performative identity politics.

The republicans stepped in with their simplistic answers to complex problems (effectively "kill the patient to cure the cancer"), that the party had been courting to generate grassroots energy for decades before it escaped their control.

If we had had more occurrences of Luigi-accountability over the past several years, we could have likely released enough frustration, had societal conversations about real reforming concessions, and ever-increasingly-squeezed people might not have fallen for the siren song of a fascist strongman. Alas.

Oh, and parroting and amplifying Neo-Nazi propaganda by accusing innocent hard working legal Haitian immigrants of killing and eating dogs and cats in an internationally televised presidential debate isn't nonsense and hysterics and blatant racism?

Seriously... the "irrational and hysterical" stuff reads way too much like "a woman" to me when those claiming it have to ignore all the things like lying about immigrants eating dogs then, after being called out dozens of times, admitting it was a lie and saying they were willing to keep lying because even though they don't have facts they think their point is still true.

The whole thing comes off to me as a gleeful descent into a juvenile, rebellious mindset, flinging accusations like "hysterical" around without a shred of self reflection.

> The left lost the election because the general public got sick of the nonsense and hysterics.

The left lost the election because a ton of people thought "hey, better stay home than vote for Kamala because she's too cozy with Israel", and look where it got them, not only do they now have Trump in power but Netanyahu has no one to hold him in check.

Trump got 74M votes in 2020 vs 77M in 2024, the key thing is that Biden got 81M votes in 2020 whereas Harris got 75M votes.

The Democrats lost more people to non-voterism than they lost to Trump.

I love the fact that the Democrats are considered 'left'.

The US electorate has the choice between a right-wing free-market capitalist party, or the Republicans.

Left and right are always relative to a centre, and different in every country.

Or, we can look at the spectrum of politics that exists and, observe that there are political groups outside of the Democrats and Republicans even within the United States, and see that you're wrong.

Only a proportion of the full political spectrum is viable.

For example, we know pretty conclusively at this polint that communism doesn't work, which is why the "left" these days is social policies overlaid on a free market system.

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