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There are procedural issues that make that difficult currently. For example, undocumented immigrants can claim asylum and then legally can’t be deported until their claim has been processed and rejected. And this takes a very long time due to a shortage of immigration judges. There actually was a bill introduced under biden that would have limited the circumstances in which asylum can be claimed, and added funding for more immigration judges. But Trump called republican congresspeople to encourage them to vote against the bill because he didn’t want anyone else to get the credit for improving border security.

> Like preventing illegal entry and crossing of borders and deporting illegal aliens? Or is that not rule of law?

And in the process of enforcing this law ripping children from their parents and losing track of them so that reconnecting them with families was not possible?

* http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archi...

* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-trump-era-policy-tha...

Besides enforcing the law, is cruelty one of Trump's stated policy goals?

* http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/...

As I am not left wing, simply not Republican, I've never understood why Fox News and political provocatours needed to lie about the magnitude of the problems on the border during Biden's presidency, except and unless they wanted to create fear via propaganda. The economy was a much better angle. I value intellectual honesty.

Edit: and to add, one thing that Fascists in Germany did was to turn their political rivals into boogeyman. Simultaneously weak and strong. Lacking morality.

I guarantee you folks on the left have strong morals and standards. As do folks on the right. Assuming they don't or concluding they don't because they don't align to your preferences means that you, not them, are polarized. I use 'you' here in the royal sense, I don't know you from Peter or Paul. I only know what you said in your comment.

Having lived in places where I was a stranger, I've found people generally want similar things, usually found on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

>Assuming they don't or concluding they don't because they don't align to your preferences means that you, not them, are polarized.

Many people here including parent commenter argue for rule of law, which includes controlling and protecting the border and deporting illegal aliens as written in the law. However, those same people (not necessarily parent commenter, but probably the case also) argue for an uncontrolled anarchistic border and presence of foreign nationals in the same breath.

This is why I am of the mind that the only standard the Left has is the lack of standards. Rule of law, except not those laws.

> argue for an uncontrolled anarchistic border and presence of foreign nationals in the same breath.

Can you cite any of these arguments? Because I struggle to take seriously your assertion when compared against data like these [1][2].

These data show laws were being followed and enforced. Maybe you want to argue about the level of enforcement, but you can't look at these data and conclude the border was "uncontrolled and anarchistic". Looks like Biden deported more people at the border in 2024 than Trump ever did in a single year. That's not anarchy.

The real issue with interior deportations is the drastic rise in pending asylum cases after 2020 - roughly 3x more cases in 2024 than in 2020, and the number is just going up. Dealing with this would be easy if you just deny everyone political asylum, but that would be lawless.

[1] https://econofact.org/immigrant-deportations-trends-and-impa... [2] https://www.ice.gov/spotlight/statistics

Let the whataboutism begin in 3..2..1…

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