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I hope you guys got rid of your teslas. Preferably under press. They are a danger to people around you.

They'd probably just replace it with another car, defeating the purpose.

Other cars don’t claim to offer FSD. The limitations are more explicit, therefore it’s safer for people around it.

If you were going to get rid of your Tesla for that reason, then you'd know about the limitations. Getting rid of it creates a chance for it to go to someone who did not.

Not based on their safety record.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes...

Got any source for that, or anything to refute the reference below that shows that Teslas are actually the most dangerous in terms of fatal accidents/miles driven at twice the average?

First couple that came up…

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/09/19/tesla-m...

https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-y-achieves-5-star-overall-s...

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Teslas-come-right-after-RAM-an...

Those are about the safety of people in the car. The comment saying they were dangerous was about people not in the car.

Based on reading that one, it seems like the takeaways are fairly opposed.

“The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. [...] “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report.”

It's also interesting in the context of this argument that they exclude models older than 2018.

I wonder if driver behavior is influenced by Tesla’s design of certain systems, in which case Tesla vehicles would be inherently unsafe and have design flaws to the extent that unsafe driver behaviors are enabled or encouraged.

“I wonder” is facetious here. Of course driver behaviors are influenced by Tesla marketing and design choices, and of course Teslas being the Most Dangerous Car Brand is an indication that Teslas are inherently unsafe and have design flaws.

I'm honestly willing to chalk a big part of the increased fatalities up to their awful UI/UX, that incessantly draws the attention away from the road to do even minor things (adjust mirrors, windshield wipers, etc)

In the same way as a 911 driver's behaviour is influenced by porsche's design of certain systems, etc

Absolutely and that’s probably one of the reasons a 911 is 4th on the Cars With the Most Frequent Occupant Fatalities list.

But Porsche doesn’t claim to be The Safest Car Brand Ever and doesn’t claim to be making cars that can be put into a mode where it Full Self Drives?

Just like every other vehicle on the road.

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