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To someone who is more right-wing, the bias of e.g. NYT is just as blatant as Fox News is to you, and Fox may come off as "fair". This is because the propaganda is specifically intended to land with their own audience. It's tuned to your sensibilities.

This isn't really a matter of subjective opinion, though. Objective surveys have consistently shown that Fox News viewers are worse-informed than people who don't pay attention to any conventional news sources. NYT readers are a long way up from there.

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By the way, I read Fox News as a comparison for NYT. Reading the comments on Fox News articles is a very weird experience. You'll get this mixture of comments from "I support Trump but this particular idea is terrible" to "We must do everything Trump says to bring about the next revolution" to what appears to be blatant propaganda/manipulation from foreign agents and literal outright racism and sexism. What you don't see is nuanced communication, while in the NY Times, comments are often from knowledgeable people who have experience communicating online, can make good arguments, and back up their ideas with facts.

If the fox news comments in any way represent true opinions of trump supporters, then our country is truly screwed.

Honestly, I think most Trump supporters are never heard from online. They're just people who go about their daily lives without putting a lot of thought into politics. They checked the box on their ballot corresponding to a name they'd heard a lot lately.

I suspect they will have good reasons to pay more attention next time, if there is a next time.

Trump supporters watch Fox News, and listens to Joe Rogan. They are pretty in tune with the current politics, but they just don't try to go online and fight against the left.

"Objective surveys" by whom?

Ad Fontes' media bias chart [1] and it's methodology [2] are about as objective as you can be with something as subjective as bias and factuality.

1 - https://adfontesmedia.com/

2 - https://adfontesmedia.com/methodology/

There are a couple other groups out there too:

- https://www.allsides.com/media-bias

- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

This has literally zero bearing on the topic being discussed.

Objective surveys.

That’s not really comparing apples-to-apples though: a cable TV network aimed at the undereducated masses versus a prestigious broadsheet newspaper pitched at the educated classes

There’s plenty of right-of-centre magazines and websites aimed at educated right-wingers: e.g. First Things, Commentary, The American Conservative, the Spectator

I read a book on the history of the NYT. They would market themselves to advertisers with "our readers have the highest disposable income of aby news source in America". It's an interesting reflection on the modern Democrat party and politics in general, that the NYT now leans left.

Fair point, but it was the OP who first mentioned Fox News and the NYT in the same sentence.

Right, but I think their point was that they are both biased just in opposite directions, and bringing the orthogonal difference in target audience education level into it is arguably confusing things

Maybe a better demonstration of their point might be comparing NYT/WaPo to the WSJ

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