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So you are shipping all of llvm?

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Well, if you want to just-in-time compile, then it seems like a compiler is one way to go.

They are now in the size realm of Lisp and Smalltalk. Forth may lean towards the lighter side.

Lisp and Smalltalk are 266 MB?

tcc is 100KB

https://www.bellard.org/tcc/

Squeak Smalltalk is 53 MB on Windows (excluding sources). 48 MB of that is the image with UI framework and so on, but it's not immediately easy to say which library/ui parts are core.

TCC doesn't do much optimization in turn, while commercial implementations of Lisp and Smalltalk are surely much larger than that.

I'm not sure what your point is. The person I replied to was justifying a 266MB binary by saying a compiler was included. Are you saying optimization would make tcc 2,660 times as big?

The point is that LLVM does much, much more than TCC and, while it is definitely possible that LLVM could have done that in a smaller binary, TCC is probably not a good thing to compare with because it only does a bare minimum. I should also note that LLVM is a cross-compiler by default...

The person I replied to just said it is 266MB because it includes a compiler, and that obviously isn't true.

https://github.com/bytecodealliance/wasm-micro-runtime

This says 4000 lines

https://github.com/explodingcamera/tinywasm

What are we talking about here? There is obviously no reason a wasm jit has to be 266 MB

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