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rants about how immigrants are flooding the cities. When shown data and statistics and pointing out Trumps blatant lying

What? You are more misinformed than your father if you don't know that illegal aliens are flooding into the country. Trying to choose a neutral source for you.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico.

Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.

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When basementcat was CTO, software engineers closed 2.4 million Jira tickets. When WillPostForFood was CTO, 10 million Jira tickets were closed. Is this sufficient information to determine who was the more effective CTO?

Your neutral news source is from a country that’s very anti-immigrant.

Yet somehow has immigrant mayors for nearly all major cities, had a couple of immigrant PMs, and currently has a PoC immigrant-origin leader of the CONSERVATIVES? Please enlighten me for I'm utterly confused /s.

You mean the immigrant from London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan and Liverpool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Burnham ? I'm not sure any other major cities in England even have an actual mayor. (Lord Mayor is just ceremonial)

Tooting is just zone 3, not abroad :D

That data isn't sufficient for the claim you're making. Another interpretation could be that one President's CBP was approximately four times as effective.

The truth is harder to discern when each administration redefines encounters, but for example, the Trump administration deported fewer per annum than the Obama administration. I don't know what to make of that, myself, but I think that would come as a surprise to many voters.

So Biden was 3x more effective at catching illegal immigrants than Trump was? This isn't the argument you seem to think it is. Was this due to Trump directing CBP to not bother watching the areas "guarded" by his scrap metal project or something?

And what makes you think the Biden administration wasn't just doing a better job? Or Trump administration wasn't underreporting to make him look better. If you don't test, it isn't there!

While I can recognize the sentiment, I do err on the side of caution moving into the post-COVID world. Once you start assuming "the other side could be lying" then its going to be pretty difficult for you to ever accept whatever truth is. You begin to doubt anything and everything in favor of whatever makes you feel right.

Except Trump lies if it makes him look better as easy as he breathes. It's not that he "could be lying" -- he lies all the damn time. No concern for the truth, only for his image. Then he sends his propagandists out to push the narrative and make excuses for what he says. "They're eating the cats and dogs." -Trump, and "Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what's happening." -Trump; It's ridiculously Orwellian.

Believe me, I get it. BUT, and even I hate saying this, if both sides continue to resort to "the other side is lying" - aka people claiming 2020 was rigged and people claiming deportation/crime numbers are under-reported.

I'm not saying believe everything without due diligence. I'm saying everyone calling everyone else liars is not going to end peacefully for anyone.

I'm just saying, if you insist Trump is telling the truth, you should have evidence. Because there is rarely evidence to back the assertion he is telling the truth. I'm not calling everyone a liar. Just Trump and his cronies. Most people don't realize they are repeating lies for Trump because they believe the lies. I'm not going to sit back and give that guy the benefit of the doubt after he has lied over and over again. All benefit of the doubt goes to those he has deceived.

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