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  In 2021 alone, the FBI conducted up to 3.4 million warrantless searches of Section 702 data to find Americans’ communications. --https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/04/internal-documents-show-how-little-fbi-did-correct-misuse-section-702-databases

So the story is that California isn't holding up their end of the police state? Compared to the FBI they're hardly trying.

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What was Biden looking for?

I'm cool with this. The FBI purged my city and state of rampant corruption and they remove heinous violent criminals from the street every day, often before they can commit any other crimes. Most of the people who work there are tireless and thankless servants.

And to all the haters, let's see how you feel when your daughter is abducted and taken over state lines or your local law enforcement becomes corrupt and starts working with criminals. The FBI showing up is a great feeling.

Plenty of law enforcement agencies aren’t too different from criminal organizations as-is.

LA Sheriff in particular is known to have several criminal gangs within their ranks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs

> let's see how you feel when your daughter is abducted and taken over state lines

Well, if it’s any comfort, the person most likely by far to abduct your daughter is you. Stranger abduction is exceedingly rare.

Struggling to perceive your thought process here. Did you really think you were making an effective point here?

> I'm cool with this. The FBI purged my city and state of rampant corruption

That's all nice until they finish the job and start looking for ways to stay employed.

Other than their federal jurisdiction, what separates them, structurally, from any other flawed LEA and makes then incorruptible? (And, where the hell do you live?)

They are not incorruptible but they have effectively purged their own ranks on many occasions.

I promise bad things still happen in your city. Do you think drugs stop getting sold when a dealer is picked up? Seems fairly naïve...

You know damn well that I don't think they purged ALL bad things. Grow up.

You're the one using dramatic imaginations and hyperbolic language to justify unconstitutional searches. If "growing up" means "willfully surrender all your rights to a dubious police force"... consider me a child if that makes you feel better about your inane justifications for violating the privacy of law abiding citizens. Maybe you should learn a little history about the fbi. There's a reason the constraints the above comment laments the fbi breaking exist in the first place.

I have no ball in this game, as I am non-US. but sounds like the same can be said. Just wait until the FBI starts harassing your family outside their lawful jurisdiction. Or an FBI agent abusing their family. But at least your children will be safe from the dangerous streets...

They get their guy at all costs and will trample innocent people to do it. Many times, even often and predictably, they will extort oranipulate people into putting themselves in harms way to obtain their objectives. I didn't say the FBI is all unicorns and rainbows.

Just chiming in to say I am incredibly sympathetic to this line of thinking, even though I am ultimately pro-privacy in spite of the real costs you talk about

Everyone is sympathetic to that line of thinking. Most, here at least, have the brain cells to rub together to recognize that the costs of civil rights' absence are greater than the costs incurred by those rights.

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