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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, regardless of which country you have a problem with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Well, yes, but I don't think I did.

Edit: Also: these things need to be discussed. Or can't they?

Did you rate limit me for this?

We didn't rate limit you. But I think you're underestimating the flamewar effect of a comment that begins "I honestly don't need to know more than: It's run from $Country".

Well, thanks! I tend to be direct in my language usage. I'll make it more convoluted/obfuscated in the future when talking about e.g. China.

Convolution and obscurity are not the desired qualities.

I feel like this makes it impossible to sufficiently criticise countries that, eh, objectively deserve criticism. In a way, that's fair; HN is not a country review site.

However: Once in a while we get something like deepseek that is very obviously the product of some particular country.

I think the trick is to talk about the product rather than country.

Their models are open weights, and they are supported in ollama. You can run locally if you have sufficient hardware.

Well, thanks for not calling it open source! I did run it locally. It behaved as you would expect when asked about things the CCP cares about.

https://hongkongfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/brave_udRs...

Very easy to circumvent if you run the raw model locally, no different from how western models are lobotomized for liberalist/nationalist reasons.

In fact these models are less lobotomized than western open source models.

Well, it is technically open source, open weights, and closed training set, right?

(My recollection is that the training code is MIT licensed.)

I don't see any training code in the GH repos. There is inference code for DeepSeek v3.

So "open weights" is accurate. We used to call this closed source...

Because you can download the models yourself and run them on your own hardware bypassing all of those concerns. Also, I would be far more worried what my government might do with my chat logs then a foreign one.

This post is about the service, not the model(s).

Not being a fan of CCP, I wonder how many times you did ask ChagGPT about CCP? Why bother suddenly? Should it matter for a Chinese model which is genuinely good in every other aspect?

Don't take it personally, please. Just measuring my internal self which I inherited by coexisting many years with a similar regime.

I'm kind of old for HN. I (sort of) know what happened.

I'm concerned about later generations and about this information getting deleted.

I also think there's a clear risk of a currently democratic country becoming communistic within the the next 20-40 years. Inevitably, mass murder follows.

So I want what happened preserved in the day-to-day-consciousness, not deleted/censored.

As a Canadian, I don't particularly care what the Chinese government knows about me. They represent zero threat to me, and honestly I'm rational enough to know that they don't particularly care what I'm up to.

US companies, on the other hand...did you miss where all of the tech oligarchs lined up in an obsequious little row to proselytize before the newly anointed king? When they all went on a spree in advance to show their deference to his "vision", including simply pathetic podcast appearances?

China has a lot of problems, but compared to what the United States has become, it looks positively harmless in comparison. Anyone who doesn't think the cabal of criminal administrative officials aren't going to completely annihilate your rights -- always with some "emergency" reason -- is blissfully detached from reality. It is currently the most dangerous nation on this planet.

1. I'm not American.

2. The choice is not between US and China.

3. Communism is just destructive. Trust me, you'll eventually figure this one out.

I didn't assume you were American. But there is 100% chance that you share an enormous amount of information with American firms, given that they have exponential more of a global reach. And if you're in Europe, the US literally represents more of a threat to you than China does.

As to communism, thanks for the patronizing noise however the choice isn't between communism or a profoundly corrupt, lawless "democracy" where a nuclear armed, mega-military egotistical megalomaniac thinks "might makes right" and casually talks about manifest destiny.

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