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Your claim that immigrants (as an entire group) may certainly have higher English literacy than US-born is a bit more tenuous, and ignores lower income/lesser educated immigrants from Mexico/central/America/Eastern Africa in favor of more educated immigrants from India/Philippines/China (well, Asia in general). But I don't think the numbers really bare your claim out, even if we don't throw in illegal immigrants and/or refugees.
I'm not claiming any numbers. My words bear that out.
> Only US-born people are literate in English? Wow, I hope you'll rethink that because on a case-by-case basis, immigrants may certainly have higher English literacy than US-born.
You made a vague claim with two weasel words that alluded to immigrants having higher English literacy than US-born. They claim you were replying to was referring to overall rates, not case-by-case rates (obviously you compare one person to another person you can get any kind of result, but we are comparing groups instead).
> Only US-born people are literate in English? Wow, I hope you'll rethink that because on a case-by-case basis, immigrants may certainly have higher English literacy than US-born.
I don't know where you got that.
My comment clearly stated:
> immigrants who don't speak English well
> to reflect how our educational system is doing
So yes, if we want to judge our educational system, then someone who grew up in Norway with perfect English is also quite irrelevant to that.
I never said immigrants as a whole don't speak English well. I clearly said the ones who don't speak English well. Which, of course, there are many, and there is a recent uptick. I'm not saying anything political here.
Yes, of course. But if they learned English in Norway, then their performance isn't a reflection of the US school system, and so doesn't reflect on its educational quality. Does that make sense?
> I admit that when I read your ''don't saeek English well'' comment I assumed you also meant reading and writing.
I did, of course. It's pretty rare to be good at reading and writing a language without being able to speak it too.
After a long career in global tech I have to take issue with that, but then I'd be relying on my own memories of colleagues, bosses, and hires, and not quantifiable data. We're discussing school kids, after all.