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Yes, instead of the dynamic vigor of the youthful Donald J Trump (77)

The greatest lie current politicians in the US managed to get the public to believe in, is that this somehow is a "left vs right" or "democrats vs republicans" issue, when in reality the both sides/parties are more similar than they are different.

Y'all need some real alternatives to the status quo. I'd suggest exploring actually leftist ideals, but would have to be outside the current two-party system, because Democrats already proven they won't do it, as they pushed Bernie aside for a person no one seemed to like.

Many issues have bipartisan support, especially foreign policy. I suspect the other main reason they wanted to ban TT is that they wanted to control the narrative on certain issues, on the them being Gaza.

https://newrepublic.com/post/181327/mitt-romney-congress-ban...

Yes, I agree. While data collection is an issue it feels like a red herring sometimes. I've received a wide variety of populist and anti-capitalist ideas from a wide spectrum of users on TikTok, and that feels like a greater threat to the powers that be than data collection.

If it was solely data collection the CCP (and anyone else for that matter) would simply buy data from random data brokers. It is much easier, cheaper and legal too.

Americans are more similar than they are different, so of course the parties elected to represent them are too.

The truth is simply that Americans want Donald Trump. A country that votes for Donald Trump is not about to vote for a top down socialist president.

Americans wanted cheaper groceries, gas, … one candidate lied about the ease at which those changes could be made, just like he lies about everything else, and a shocking number of people bought it, again. They were conned by an expert conman with a lifetime’s experience conning.

I just don’t think the US is a serious country anymore. Any country that elects a man like Donald Trump for a few percent off their veggies (OK probably not veggies in America) and cheaper eggs is not a serious place. Shame, I really used to believe all that shit about a city on a hill!

I generally agree given where we are right now but i would still argue that with the right Dem candidate and momentum there can be a chance to codify some bold leftist policies that truly improve people’s material conditions like more labor protections, cheaper healthcare/child care etc. These are popular policies across party lines. No one focused on them during this election cycle. In a way people voted for Trump because he kept repeating that Dems made you miserable and i will punish them. And Dems were offering to “save democracy” while leaning further right (see immigration bill). Unfortunately Trump is not helping solve any of those issues. And we are back to square one.

Of course the democrats can win again and they will but that DJT won at all let alone a second time speaks volumes about the American people and their fall. Really sad.

They are much different. Democrats are corporate slow and risk averse. Republicans are insane, aggressive and seeking as much destruction as possible.

> They are much different.

When all you know are those two options, then yeah, they look like two very different options.

But once you explored the other ideologies and political ideas out there in the rest of the world, you'll see they both end up being pretty much "center-but-slightly-right", one is slightly more conservative than the other, but otherwise they're pretty much the same poison.

Also it isn't one axis reality, so projecting all those onto a line leads to skewed comparisons. That said, what parties elsewhere in the world make the modern GOP look center-right? Also, in countries with even larger gaps in ideology between parties, how do they avoid the civil unrest the US is seeing?

> what parties elsewhere in the world make the modern GOP look center-right?

Loads of examples; Vox (Spain), AfD (Germany) and whatever National Front (France) is called nowadays, all take harder stances and are pretty honest about their want for centralization of authority (for example), for better or worse. Golden Dawn (Greece) is probably a even stronger ultra-nationalist example, but they basically have no support after getting banned.

Although I will say that is seems almost futile to compare left/right between countries, we all have somewhat different understandings of it...

> how do they avoid the civil unrest the US is seeing

What civil unrest? I'd say things seem surprisingly calm and the population almost pacified. We're starting to see some smaller embers of something starting, but compared to how things could be considering the circumstances, it seems pretty idle.

It is impossible to deny that DJT appears to be far younger than he really is, and at the very least, his energy and character are much more striking as youthful than any of the Democrat leadership (Biden, Pelosi, the other geriatrics). There's a reason we have dozens of quotable moments from Trump and like three max from Biden.

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